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Annoying Catholics
December 12, 2013
7:05 pm
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LilSebastian
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September 13, 2013

Wee said

luna said

Saw this posted on FB by someone who strongly disagrees:

6 reasons to NOT send your daughter to college
http://www.fixthefamily.com/blog/6-reasons-to-not-send-your-daughter-to-college

I grew up in a very Catholic family and still practice. Thankfully I've never encountered this type of Catholic in person.

WTF even is this diatribe??? Almost every Catholic woman I know has a college degree, and the Catholic university I attended was about 50/50 men/women, with a tad fewer women. Who the H. IS this woman to speak incorrectly on behalf of the rest of us?!!

 

OMG, she needs to go join the Quiverfulls or something. I'm assuming she's a bitter with no college degree and a super duper chip on her shoulder. 

Haha, I don't blame you. She's a theologian and obsessed with Poland, so… But here's a recent, pretty good entry level post that might inspire you to hate-read her along with me? http://seraphicsinglescummings.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/first-boyfriend-worries.html

 

Anyway. I need someone to talk about this blog with because my husband doesn't get it. yadayada

December 12, 2013
7:08 pm
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LilSebastian
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Oh, shoot. Meant to reply to the Seraphic thread. Sorry!

December 12, 2013
8:58 pm
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carol

LilSebastian said

Oh, shoot. Meant to reply to the Seraphic thread. Sorry!

Okay, I totally was lost with the Polish thing so thanks for clearing that up. I'm off to read the post you suggested. I shall return, hopefully with some hate :) 

December 13, 2013
4:28 am
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LilSebastian
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The link I posted isn't that egregious but it's recent and she calls making out a "gateway drug" and reminds people that sex gives you cancer, so… 

I really get ragey when she talks about gay stuff. http://seraphicsinglescummings.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/auntie-seraphic-crush-who-came-out.htmlangry

December 13, 2013
7:23 am
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carol

My daughter had to use the computer for school so I wasn't able to respond last night. Yes, the gateway drug of kissing! That made me laugh. I have thoughts but I need to get on my computer because I'm on my iPod and it's hard to type. I'm going to take a deep breath and read the gay post.

December 13, 2013
8:10 am
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carol

Okay so I read  the gay post and first I have to admit that I have a son who recently told us he is gay so I read everything on the topic with that in mind. My son is only 13. We are practicing Catholics so when he told us he was gay I went to my parish priest and spoke to him because my son's big worry was that he would be completely rejected by the church so since I wasn't technically sure what the church really believed about this whole topic I needed to hear from someone who really knew. He actually had me read the same article Seraphic posted in her post, the Always Our Children one. It was helpful, but like all things related to this topic is wasn't completely practical. It said we are to love everyone, regardless of who they are attracted to but that people who are gay need to remain chaste, just like straight people need to remain chaste until they are married. So anywaaaaay, that is something I struggle with and I will love and accept my son no matter what and if he comes home with a boyfriend at some point in his life, and if that person is kind to my son, I will accept the relationship. Okay, sorry, I just felt like I needed to be honest first about this topic. Her post annoyed me for a couple of reasons. She speaks in a completely logical fashion, almost robotic, so everything she is saying is "true"( for lack of a better word – that isn't really what I mean but I think you know what I mean)  but none of it is practical. So all you gay people, just don't have relationships and everything will be fine. Plus she talks about the gay culture and acts as if this is the norm. Just like there are straight people who do drugs, and have lots of sex and go clubbing every night there are gay people who do that, but why act like that is the norm. Gay or straight there are people who like to party and have too much fun ( I was one of those people when I was young) but to call it "gay culture" annoys me. Just call it people being young and stupid. My pastor told me something that made me feel better, which is that although the authority of the church talks about the "ideal" , we live in a real world and so all we can really do is love people and shut up. I'm just sick of hearing people say, okay you can be attracted to the same sex, just don't ever do anything about it. It annoys me and it's not practical and ugh, shut up and just love people. 

December 13, 2013
8:10 am
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carol

Okay so I read  the gay post and first I have to admit that I have a son who recently told us he is gay so I read everything on the topic with that in mind. My son is only 13. We are practicing Catholics so when he told us he was gay I went to my parish priest and spoke to him because my son's big worry was that he would be completely rejected by the church so since I wasn't technically sure what the church really believed about this whole topic I needed to hear from someone who really knew. He actually had me read the same article Seraphic posted in her post, the Always Our Children one. It was helpful, but like all things related to this topic is wasn't completely practical. It said we are to love everyone, regardless of who they are attracted to but that people who are gay need to remain chaste, just like straight people need to remain chaste until they are married. So anywaaaaay, that is something I struggle with and I will love and accept my son no matter what and if he comes home with a boyfriend at some point in his life, and if that person is kind to my son, I will accept the relationship. Okay, sorry, I just felt like I needed to be honest first about this topic. Her post annoyed me for a couple of reasons. She speaks in a completely logical fashion, almost robotic, so everything she is saying is "true"( for lack of a better word – that isn't really what I mean but I think you know what I mean)  but none of it is practical. So all you gay people, just don't have relationships and everything will be fine. Plus she talks about the gay culture and acts as if this is the norm. Just like there are straight people who do drugs, and have lots of sex and go clubbing every night there are gay people who do that, but why act like that is the norm. Gay or straight there are people who like to party and have too much fun ( I was one of those people when I was young) but to call it "gay culture" annoys me. Just call it people being young and stupid. My pastor told me something that made me feel better, which is that although the authority of the church talks about the "ideal" , we live in a real world and so all we can really do is love people and shut up. I'm just sick of hearing people say, okay you can be attracted to the same sex, just don't ever do anything about it. It annoys me and it's not practical and ugh, shut up and just love people. 

December 13, 2013
8:57 am
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LilSebastian
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September 13, 2013

Shut up and love people sounds about right to me! clap

 

My best male friend is gay and I have gay family members, and I get the sense that people like Seraphic mean well but don't actually know any gay people. And the church's idea that gay people can be gay but just never act on it (i.e., remain chaste until they die) is a) not realistic and b) not right. I haven't been a practicing Catholic for eight years, and the longer I stay away from the church, the more ridiculous that attitude/belief seems to me. It's not really an apt comparison to say that gay people have to remain chaste "just like unmarried straight people," because at least every straight person has the option, under church doctrine, to get married. Gay people not only have to remain chaste, but they can't get married. Lose, lose. 

 

Good for you for loving and accepting your son no matter what, by the way. I know that it's not easy to be a gay kid, and having your parents' love and support means everything.

December 13, 2013
9:37 am
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carol

Yeah, I've read some more of her posts and I think maybe the reason you find her so fun to read is that she is so very logical that you almost can see her point about some things and then all of a sudden she says something like, if a woman must wear jeans, by God make sure they have some bling on them! OMG, I detest both the word bling and the actual bling itself. Actually I think she referred to putting bling on your backpack, but really you should carry a prissy little purse because you don't want men to forget you are a woman! I get the point of some of what she is saying, like don't be a needy fool and just enjoy your single life. But then she just goes on and on about kissing being the gateway drug to sex and she loses me. I feel so weird reading her now. She actually mentioned Dorothy Day ( a personal hero of mine)  in a positive way and I got all excited and then she went said something that made me scratch my head and I felt myself getting all nervous, like OMG she tricked me into liking her for a minute. I think she is trying to help people lead lives completely free of sin which always makes me squirm because didn't we already have someone come to town who did that. I don't know, I guess in a perfect world no one would ever do anything sinful but much of what she is saying is not practical but now I feel like I need to keep reading her. I don't feel as much rage when I read her as I do when I read little catholic bubble or the housewife one…oh what is the name of that blog…something like the rational housewife. I can't remember now but it's really bad! 

 

Also, did you know that every time a rational person leaves the church an angel loses its wings? ;) No, seriously though, if people like you keep leaving what are we going to be left with!? I'm just teasing you, I do understand how easy it is to walk away. I almost have many times. It's a struggle. I am thankful for my parish. It may be the reason I'm still in the church. We are staffed by Franciscans so we are really fortunate. I dread the day are current pastor leaves. He's really great. He gives the kind of homilies that have actually driven out some far right people from our parish. I love when someone tells me they left our church because our pastor was too tolerant :)

December 13, 2013
10:10 am
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LilSebastian
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September 13, 2013

Yeah, now I've sucked you in to the world of Seraphic! laugh Now you understand the love-hate aspect. I enjoy her writing and her voice and sometimes I feel like I'd have fun hanging out with her and her husband and their friends in Edinburgh — but then she says crazy, ass-backwards things and I'm just like, NOPE. She's interesting, though, because she's this weird mix of things: she's educated, a writer, used to be a recreational boxer, used to go to goth clubs, but also highly traditional/anti-gay/goes to Traditional Latin Mass, etc., etc…. So yeah, I keep reading, because I'm addicted. What can ya do?

 

As far as why I left the church, I just… couldn't with it anymore. I stopped attending mass when I was 23 and then tried to go back to it several times over the years but I never found a parish I liked, had a couple of bad/alienating experiences attending mass, and then with the continually unfolding scandals of the church and its (in my mind) indefensible positions on so many social issues, I just felt that I couldn't, in good conscience, keep attending mass or calling myself a Catholic. I do sometimes feel a lack in my life because now I don't regularly attend any church, and my husband is not religious, but I think I might look into the Episcopal church. I attended a progressive Episcopalian mass in my city and loved it — so that might be a good fit. But Catholicism lost me. Even Pope Francis can't get me back at this point (although I do think he's great), unless the Church radically changes its positions on gay people, women in the clergy, and so on. One day?

December 13, 2013
10:40 am
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Laughing Leaping in the Light-filled Gloaming
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Not only "not practical," but actively harmful.

 

I know a whole slew of gay Catholics, men and women, who have no interest in celibacy because they feel that their relationships bring them closer to God, you know, challenge them to be kinder, more compassionate, more patient, more loving, and all around better Christians and better human beings. I have seen my gay friends become better human beings because of the love and acceptance of another human person. To say that a fraction of humanity is automatically cut off from that because of their "same-sex attraction" is crazy to me. 

 

LilSebastian, I consider myself Catholic, but for a while now, I've been attending an Episcopal/Anglo-Catholic church. Lots of gay folk there, amazing sermons, wonderful music, and lefty people. I hope you can find a church home where you feel comfortable, if that's what you want.

December 13, 2013
11:31 am
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LilSebastian
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DrCP said
Not only "not practical," but actively harmful.

 

I know a whole slew of gay Catholics, men and women, who have no interest in celibacy because they feel that their relationships bring them closer to God, you know, challenge them to be kinder, more compassionate, more patient, more loving, and all around better Christians and better human beings. I have seen my gay friends become better human beings because of the love and acceptance of another human person. To say that a fraction of humanity is automatically cut off from that because of their "same-sex attraction" is crazy to me. 

 

LilSebastian, I consider myself Catholic, but for a while now, I've been attending an Episcopal/Anglo-Catholic church. Lots of gay folk there, amazing sermons, wonderful music, and lefty people. I hope you can find a church home where you feel comfortable, if that's what you want.

Thanks. I do want that! I'm about to move cities in January so I think I'll start actively looking for a church then. In the meantime, I'll continue to read these Catholic blogs that have no bearing on my life and that I violently disagree with. That's healthy, right? 

December 13, 2013
12:27 pm
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carol

LilSebastian said

DrCP said
Not only "not practical," but actively harmful.

 

I know a whole slew of gay Catholics, men and women, who have no interest in celibacy because they feel that their relationships bring them closer to God, you know, challenge them to be kinder, more compassionate, more patient, more loving, and all around better Christians and better human beings. I have seen my gay friends become better human beings because of the love and acceptance of another human person. To say that a fraction of humanity is automatically cut off from that because of their "same-sex attraction" is crazy to me. 

 

LilSebastian, I consider myself Catholic, but for a while now, I've been attending an Episcopal/Anglo-Catholic church. Lots of gay folk there, amazing sermons, wonderful music, and lefty people. I hope you can find a church home where you feel comfortable, if that's what you want.

Thanks. I do want that! I'm about to move cities in January so I think I'll start actively looking for a church then. In the meantime, I'll continue to read these Catholic blogs that have no bearing on my life and that I violently disagree with. That's healthy, right? 

I had to stop reading a lot of stuff on the internet because I got so upset and it makes me hate people. I used to hate read little catholic bubble and it actually caused so much stress that I just can't even look at her site at all.

The thing that keeps me going to church is the Eucharist. We wandered around various churches for a bit and I always missed the Eucharist so I decided to go back to RC church. It was difficult. The sex scandal was so disturbing to me and still is. It actually makes me cry when I start thinking about it. It enrages me. It makes me so sad. I was in my early 30's when much of the scandal broke and it shook me pretty hard. My own father, who is the most devout Catholic I know, struggled so hard with staying. I didn't know that until recently when my mom told me. Anyhow, I don't judge people for leaving and hope I didn't come across that way. I completely get it. I think there are different paths to God and I hope if it's something you feel like you want, then I hope you find it in your new city.

 

Having said that, there are some great Catholic writers I hope you can enjoy reading. People like Thomas Merton and Henri Nouwen and Anthony De Melllo. All of them have helped me want to be a better person without making me think the only way there is by being Catholic, if that makes sense. If you ever want to cleanse your palette after reading some of the Catholic nonsense on the internet, give them a try. 



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