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Large Family on Purpose
February 17, 2014
6:35 pm
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Stormy
Expert Hamcat
Meows: 260
Snarking Since:
January 26, 2014

Ugh. "Towel Time/Blanket Time" makes me sad. I understand wanting to confine certain messy activities to a zone for easier clean-up, but this "you have to stay here until I say you can move" is more about obedience training than housekeeping. I hate it. It's so abusive. What's the benefit in refusing your child to move about freely in his own home if not blind obedience?

February 17, 2014
6:36 pm
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Kitsu
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 971
Snarking Since:
May 18, 2013

Every damn time she writes *smile* it's like all the rage I have in the world is channeled towards her.yell

It also makes me think that her interactions with others are crazy, like she goes to buy groceries, and has to say in her head "smile" to the checkout person before she can actually do it?

February 17, 2014
6:59 pm
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Floralbedspread
Expert Hamcat
Meows: 431
Snarking Since:
October 4, 2013

sup-bar (AKA sofatnocat) said
 

Also, I find "modest" swimsuits draw a lot more attention than a plain old Speedo.  Call me crazy.

 

I totally agree, those down to your knees suits, are utterly ridiculous and worn by teenage girls, warrant more attention than if they'd worn a one piece with a sarong tied around their waist after they got out of the pool!

That's what I do, though it's less to do with men looking at my crotch and ass and more to do with the wibbly wobbly legs I have as a 46 year old!

And add me to the list of people wondering why she has short hair, people who are so committed to looking feminine for religious reasons, usually have long, undyed, boring hair with no noticeable modern style. 

 

February 17, 2014
7:41 pm
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pegatha
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1271
Snarking Since:
November 7, 2012

Oh dear, started going down the rabbit hole while needing a break at work.

In a comment (unrelated to the post it's on, but in response to, I think, that updated photos all the kids had recently been put on the sidebar, I think), about the neckline of the eldest daughter, she responds:

We do not have a no collar bone policy; as long as the neckline does not too low, like showing cleavage of course, then it's usually fine. ;) The thing we are avoiding with skirt-wearing is the visual availability of the legs crotch area via pants. That is the stumbling block for men; so we choose to cover that up to protect our brother's in christ minds.

I mean, first of all, I don't like the "modesty to protect the men" mindset (I don't have an issue with teaching to dress modestly per se… it was sort of taught at the church I was brought up in, but the attitude was more of protecting your own treasure, than avoiding being a stumbling block for guys. It seemed, even looking back on it now when I'm no longer in the church, to be a reasonable position/attitude towards modesty, and not one that infantilizes men as having no control, nor victim-blaming women if they're sexually assaulted.) 

But even ignoring that, she's assuming that the stumbling block to the majority of men is the crotch?! She has no real concern over men seeing/being led to imagining cleavage/boobs? Really?! That seems incredibly naive. 

February 17, 2014
8:31 pm
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Wendell

vanillajellybeans said
Every damn time she writes *smile* it's like all the rage I have in the world is channeled towards her.yell

It also makes me think that her interactions with others are crazy, like she goes to buy groceries, and has to say in her head "smile" to the checkout person before she can actually do it?

uh She suddenly seems so much crazier to me now.

February 18, 2014
8:18 am
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Gusset
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1071
Snarking Since:
October 20, 2012

Floralbedspread said

I totally agree, those down to your knees suits, are utterly ridiculous and worn by teenage girls, warrant more attention than if they'd worn a one piece with a sarong tied around their waist after they got out of the pool!

My guess is that they like to present themselves (to their kids too) as special people with special beliefs and special life styles. And they are proud of it. In that perspective, they might not care at all that the special swimsuit draws attention to them. 

pegatha said 
In a comment [...], about the neckline of the eldest daughter, she responds:

We do not have a no collar bone policy; as long as the neckline does not too low, like showing cleavage of course, then it's usually fine. ;) The thing we are avoiding with skirt-wearing is the visual availability of the legs crotch area via pants. That is the stumbling block for men; so we choose to cover that up to protect our brother's in christ minds.

[...] But even ignoring that, she's assuming that the stumbling block to the majority of men is the crotch?! She has no real concern over men seeing/being led to imagining cleavage/boobs? Really?! That seems incredibly naive. 

I agree. I don't think imagining someone crotch (male or female) is actually attractive (?). 
To me, her reasoning just comes from nowhere. 
My reasoning is quite the opposite. A skirt is "an open system" compared to pants that are "a closed system". So, I believe that a skirt would actually led to more creative thoughts :D 

February 18, 2014
8:58 am
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sup-bar (AKA sofatnocat)
Feline Porklord
Meows: 2437
Snarking Since:
August 8, 2012

I just don't get why people who are so weak-willed that you have to dress to prevent them from sinning are also considered so strong that they're the head of the household.  Does. Not. Compute.  It seems like the one strong enough to push a a watermelon out of a small hole should be the one considered strong enough to run the family, especially since said family is made up almost entirely of aforementioned watermelons.

February 18, 2014
10:11 am
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ErsieDotes
Hamcat
Meows: 107
Snarking Since:
August 11, 2012

pegatha said
Oh dear, started going down the rabbit hole while needing a break at work.

In a comment (unrelated to the post it's on, but in response to, I think, that updated photos all the kids had recently been put on the sidebar, I think), about the neckline of the eldest daughter, she responds:

We do not have a no collar bone policy; as long as the neckline does not too low, like showing cleavage of course, then it's usually fine. ;) The thing we are avoiding with skirt-wearing is the visual availability of the legs crotch area via pants. That is the stumbling block for men; so we choose to cover that up to protect our brother's in christ minds.

I mean, first of all, I don't like the "modesty to protect the men" mindset (I don't have an issue with teaching to dress modestly per se… it was sort of taught at the church I was brought up in, but the attitude was more of protecting your own treasure, than avoiding being a stumbling block for guys. It seemed, even looking back on it now when I'm no longer in the church, to be a reasonable position/attitude towards modesty, and not one that infantilizes men as having no control, nor victim-blaming women if they're sexually assaulted.) 

But even ignoring that, she's assuming that the stumbling block to the majority of men is the crotch?! She has no real concern over men seeing/being led to imagining cleavage/boobs? Really?! That seems incredibly naive. 

Also, I keep reading this pants/crotch thing and wondering whether anyone considers the fact that all those hapless boys and men can see a woman's ankles and imagine that there's a bare leg there that leads all the way up to a crotch covered only by a pair of panties.  Because that was a thing in the nineteenth century and before.  Ankles! So scandalous!

February 18, 2014
10:41 am
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HamSweetHam
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 599
Snarking Since:
April 2, 2012

I grew up kind of fundie (though nowhere near this degree!) but fortunately I got to wear pretty much whatever I wanted as long as it was neat and appropriate. But I did know some families who did the long skirts/hair thing. There's a verse in Deuteronomy about how a woman's not supposed to wear a man's clothing, nor is a man supposed to wear a woman's clothing. Which is probably part of the reason why so many fundie families place a huge emphasis on this exaggerated feminine modesty–to minimize any appearance of trying to look/dress like a man.

(But a few verses later it's all about how you're not supposed to wear blended fibers, and I'm not sure how many fundies actually follow that one.)

The crotch thing is a new one to me, though. I get that it's about modesty and temptation and blah blah, but if you don't ever want anyone to register the merest notion that a lady might have the basic component of human anatomy known as a "crotch", (gasp!) why go on and on about it??

It's kinda like when I was in high school, our teachers/youth group leaders/school chapel speakers would place so much emphasis on saving sex for marriage, and omg don't have impure thoughts about sex, and don't think about sex, and don't think about having sex, and don't you dare even have the slightest GLIMMERING of imagination about sex. Gee, what do you think a roomful of uncomfortable teenagers was going to think about?

February 18, 2014
12:31 pm
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pegatha
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1271
Snarking Since:
November 7, 2012

sup-bar (AKA sofatnocat) said
I just don't get why people who are so weak-willed that you have to dress to prevent them from sinning are also considered so strong that they're the head of the household.  Does. Not. Compute.  It seems like the one strong enough to push a a watermelon out of a small hole should be the one considered strong enough to run the family, especially since said family is made up almost entirely of aforementioned watermelons.

 

sha_clap2

I will at least give this family credit for staying in a reasonable (even on the small side!) house, despite the family's growth. I mean, I'm sure it sucks as a 15-year-old to share a bedroom with your 4 younger sisters, but to the extent that it's at all possible to be economically and environmentally responsible while having 9 kids – this is how you do it.

February 18, 2014
8:51 pm
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Onederbra
Hamcat
Meows: 60
Snarking Since:
August 1, 2013

There's no way that house is only 1100 square feet.  I'd guess closer to 1500 to accommodate 3 full bathrooms and 4 bedrooms.  Quite a bit of square footage is used for hallways (upstairs and downstairs), I just can't buy it's only 1100.  

February 18, 2014
9:04 pm
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crowdonkey

Onederbra said
There's no way that house is only 1100 square feet.  I'd guess closer to 1500 to accommodate 3 full bathrooms and 4 bedrooms.  Quite a bit of square footage is used for hallways (upstairs and downstairs), I just can't buy it's only 1100.  

I agree

February 19, 2014
1:50 am
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Beacons of Bland
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1363
Snarking Since:
April 1, 2012

Floralbedspread said

And add me to the list of people wondering why she has short hair, people who are so committed to looking feminine for religious reasons, usually have long, undyed, boring hair with no noticeable modern style. 

 

Scripture says a woman's long hair is her crowning glory and her covering. Has she ever talked about that on her blog? I'm wondering if she had chemo or did Locks of Love or something. I really can't imagine, given her belief system, that she would choose that haircut over long hair. She's gotta be growing it out, no?



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