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Razing Ruth
July 1, 2013
3:43 pm
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The fattest fat who ever fatted
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I have been reading Mary/Ruth off and on for a while.  Her story bothers me, too.  Here are the problems I have with the Razing Ruth blog and Ruth's tale in general:

 

1)  The Gothardite/Quiverfull community is appalling but they aren't that large.  All the hints Ruth gave to her family – claiming they are well-known enough that they know and have interacted with the Duggars – and no one can figure out who they are?  That seems unlikely.  There are people on various blogs who themselves escaped from the ATI/Gothard way of life and they have never been able to determine who the hell Ruth could be.

1a)  Her father recently died.  I could find nothing about an ATI patriarch dying recently and neither could people who have ties to the Gothard/ATI communities. That seems unlikely.

 2)  Her sister is made pregnant in a community wherein "courtship" is the norm, as in teens aren't allowed to kiss, and many not even touch or hold hands, before marriage, and their parents choose their mates for them.  They cannot be in the presence of a man without supervision, generally in the form of a father, brother or other male relative. If you recall the story Ruth told over on No Longer Quivering, her father burst into her room and accused her of fornication when he found blood on her bed when she started her first period – this man tracked his daughters in a sickening manner and one of them got loose long enough to have a sexual relationship outside of marriage?  That seems unlikely.

3)  The sister gives the baby to lesbians.  Really?  A nice gesture and one likely borne from the fact that she wanted a different life for her daughter but this sister had been inculcated in ATI/Gothard culture and went back home shortly after adopting her daughter out to the lesbians.  I know of very few, if any, people who are so liberated they give their child to same sex couples but are still so inculcated they go back into the Christian patriarchy immediately afterward.

4)  All the fundraising.  Ruth has had more physical accidents than any ten people I know, from falling to twisted ovaries to accidents.  She gathered money for her sister during her pregnancy. She needed money to get her to a new job.  She needed money to get through college.  She needed money for all sorts of reasons.  I understand that getting one's life in order after escaping a patriarchal cult is difficult but at the same time, the degree to which she needs and asks for money is startling and should raise alarm bells for everyone.

Ruth's blog has all the hallmarks of a scammer blog and she has escaped hard scrutiny for so long because who wants to challenge the emotionally and physically abused escapee of the patriarchy but at the same time, now that her dad is supposedly dead, there are fewer reasons for her not to reveal who she is.  Transparency would help her cause and that she doesn't reveal herself (she's afraid she will be refused contact with younger siblings but she has no contact as it is so that excuse holds little water) is troubling.

I would be very skeptical of Ruth and I certainly would never send her a dime.

July 1, 2013
5:48 pm
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January 13, 2013

Wow, I haven't been to her blog in a while. All these new mishaps are crazy and making me doubt everything. What she needs to be doing is contacting local charitable and social service organizations, not asking blog readers for donations. People have helped in the past and she still keeps getting into tight spots, she clearly needs real help dealing with becoming a self-sufficient adult rather than occasional cash infusions.

Even if only half of what she writes is true I can see why she'd be wary of revealing her identity, and it's not like that would tell most people anything anyway. But she shouldn't be asking for money like this in the first place, so it wouldn't matter so much if she's anonymous.

July 1, 2013
8:08 pm
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doubtingandtrust
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June 24, 2013

The fattest fat who ever fatted said

I have been reading Mary/Ruth off and on for a while.  Her story bothers me, too.  Here are the problems I have with the Razing Ruth blog and Ruth's tale in general:

 

1)  The Gothardite/Quiverfull community is appalling but they aren't that large.  All the hints Ruth gave to her family – claiming they are well-known enough that they know and have interacted with the Duggars – and no one can figure out who they are?  That seems unlikely.  There are people on various blogs who themselves escaped from the ATI/Gothard way of life and they have never been able to determine who the hell Ruth could be.

1a)  Her father recently died.  I could find nothing about an ATI patriarch dying recently and neither could people who have ties to the Gothard/ATI communities. That seems unlikely.

After she wrote about her father's death, I believed someone would probably see the obituary and put "two and two together."

But then sheet writes about her family's decision not to have an obituary because of her blog and other internet forums. :/

July 2, 2013
12:47 am
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emo
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The fattest fat who ever fatted said
I have been reading Mary/Ruth off and on for a while.  Her story bothers me, too.  Here are the problems I have with the Razing Ruth blog and Ruth's tale in general:

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Ruth's blog has all the hallmarks of a scammer blog and she has escaped hard scrutiny for so long because who wants to challenge the emotionally and physically abused escapee of the patriarchy but at the same time, now that her dad is supposedly dead, there are fewer reasons for her not to reveal who she is.  Transparency would help her cause and that she doesn't reveal herself (she's afraid she will be refused contact with younger siblings but she has no contact as it is so that excuse holds little water) is troubling.

I would be very skeptical of Ruth and I certainly would never send her a dime.

All of what you said, plus:

 

 With her Mom having a college degree and Ruth/Mary having older siblings, her mom must have popped out Blessing when she was at least 50 years old.  Not unheard of…but please, too convenient.

 

She gets an entry-level job that's 2000 miles away— WHY would this university hire her?  Degreed librarians are a dime-a-dozen in Chicago, and clamoring for work.  They wouldn't offer the job to Ruth/Mary, who they'd never interviewed in person with so many others available.  Oh, and of course her co-workers are mean, nasty b***hes ::eyeroll:: That's exactly what I think when I think of librarians— the sweetest, most helpful women who always have tons of suggestions to aid you— they're complete nasty c**ts.  Sure they are.

 

The stupid restaurant story about the anti-choice protesters, their signs, and their Bible Tracts instead of tips.  I'd call the whole incident a figment of her imagination, but it's hardly a story she invented, is it?  These men are like little La-A, traveling in packs all over the country, with their rhetoric and insulting behavior, stiffing the good waitresses just trying to make an honest living.

 

Nobody will help her until she's lived in Chicago for 30 days.  Demonstrably false, judging by all the help given to her in the comments, but you know for Ruth/Mary, cash is king!

 

I do wonder if she is someone who escaped Gothard (maybe through marriage), but is now stuck living in a trailer in the middle of nowhere.  She's made up Ruth/Mary for a bit of excitement and fund-raising, but gets so much real-world stuff wrong because of her complete lack of experience.  I have found her credible when she talks on Gothard-related issues, such as Michelle Duggar's stillbirth and how they would interpret it in their worldview.

 

Time will tell I guess.chin

July 2, 2013
1:04 am
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emo said
 
She gets an entry-level job that's 2000 miles away— WHY would this university hire her?  Degreed librarians are a dime-a-dozen in Chicago, and clamoring for work.  They wouldn't offer the job to Ruth/Mary, who they'd never interviewed in person with so many others available.  Oh, and of course her co-workers are mean, nasty b***hes ::eyeroll:: That's exactly what I think when I think of librarians— the sweetest, most helpful women who always have tons of suggestions to aid you— they're complete nasty c**ts.  Sure they are.

 

 

I have no idea whether she is telling the truth or not, and I don't care because I have never and will never send internet folks money (with the exception of Alice, because, duh) BUT, I worked in my college library when I was an undergrad and while I wouldn't necessarily say they are all nasty c**ts, Librarians are people too. Who have their petty streaks like you and me. Sweet and helpful? Maybe some? But all of them? Laughing my balls off over here. Don't assume they're all sweet grandmas because they are not. Also- many people who work in large university libraries aren't degreed librarians. I was a clerk in Acquisitions. There were some awful b***hes there. Furthermore, have you spent any time in academia? Academics are freakin weird.

 

What stood out for me was she claimed to have left ATI in 1995 once, which how could that be? Wasn't it 2005?

July 2, 2013
1:27 am
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okayinmoderation
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October 22, 2012

Wow, I  heard no idea Ruth was still blogging.  I started reading her when she first started her blog, but haven't read it in a while.  She was a frequent commenter in the Duggar thread on TWoP, always claiming to have insider info on the Duggars and Gothard.  I always assumed her blog was a scam from the start, mainly because she claimed to just be writing for herself for "therapeutic" reasons, but she heavily promoted her blog in a very high-traffic thread on TWoP.  Even though it was against the rules and the link was always removed by the mods.  I read anyway because she told an interesting story, even if it was fiction, but after her supposed broken engagement and then one mishap after another, I couldn't take it anymore.

July 2, 2013
6:18 pm
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Daisy
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May 6, 2012

I think she could be someone who escaped Gothard/ATI, but her story became embellished when she realized she could make money off of the blog. Someone upthread said they find her credible when she talks about Gothard related issues and I agree. I also found many of her college stories believable. But as time goes on and she has one setback after another that she needs donations for, I just find it hard to believe that what she is blogging about now is the truth.

July 3, 2013
6:33 pm
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busylizzie
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July 21, 2012

I've been lurking in the FJ boards and it seemed that lately a fair few FJers were starting to question Ruth for all the reasons stated in here.

Disappointingly though, the thread/discussion has been moved to a locked-down section that you need to have posted 75 times before you can see. I'm much more of a lurker and am never going to see that thread again!

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July 3, 2013
6:38 pm
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busylizzie said
I've been lurking in the FJ boards and it seemed that lately a fair few FJers were starting to question Ruth for all the reasons stated in here.

Disappointingly though, the thread/discussion has been moved to a locked-down section that you need to have posted 75 times before you can see. I'm much more of a lurker and am never going to see that thread again!

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Is that what happened to it? I have like 4 posts so I won't be seeing it either. They are a little paranoid and cliquish over there.

July 3, 2013
9:02 pm
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The fattest fat who ever fatted
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January 31, 2012

Free Jinger had a problem with a lying troll who was a secret Stormfront-style racist and the former owner of the site had basically stolen money from the site.  The new admins had to institute some controls as a result of all the madness.  I agree it's a bit paranoid but I can also see why they do what they do.

But overall, the conversation on the "All Things Razing Ruth" is similar to this one.  Add in deeper questioning of the Chicago situation (like an almost interminable discussion about whether or not hospitals have wifi across the board and small snigs about how it is someone should organize Chicago-area meet-up so finally someone can set eyes on, I mean help Ruth) and people responding in an OMG HOW VERY DARE YOU manner when it was revealed some people went to Ruth's work and demanded to see her (which I laughed at because I simply don't believe it happened and the timing seems very much like Mary/Ruth threw that out so people would feel sorry for her and stop questioning her).

And none of them seem to know the f**king acronym is HIPAA, not HIPPA. 

So really, none of you are missing much.

July 3, 2013
10:22 pm
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An Artful Asshole
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June 4, 2013

I have read this blog for a couple of years and I never really was suspicious but a lot of times I don't see inconsistentcies but I'm not sending money so whatever… But I did notice that she said she was able to buy the trailer she was living in with her sister, then all of a sudden she said the owner kicked her out. But if she owned it how did that happen? After that she's seemed shady to me. Maybe not totally false but putting on some high drama to keep the clicks coming so she can hit people up when she's ready.

July 4, 2013
8:58 am
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Bacon Grease Filter
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May 17, 2012

I've always thought that Ruth was just the active imagination of a FJ member.

July 4, 2013
1:31 pm
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sadiesue
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October 14, 2012

I've been reading Razing Ruth for years and generally agree that parts of her story seem legit and other parts seem pretty embellished or made up.

 

 2)  Her sister is made pregnant in a community wherein "courtship" is the norm, as in teens aren't allowed to kiss, and many not even touch or hold hands, before marriage, and their parents choose their mates for them.  They cannot be in the presence of a man without supervision, generally in the form of a father, brother or other male relative. If you recall the story Ruth told over on No Longer Quivering, her father burst into her room and accused her of fornication when he found blood on her bed when she started her first period – this man tracked his daughters in a sickening manner and one of them got loose long enough to have a sexual relationship outside of marriage?  That seems unlikely.

 

The whole part with her sister seemed so weird. I think Ruth said her sister got knocked up at an ATI convention where the rules might have been relaxed a little?

 

What does seem kind of shady that first she was so gung ho about leaving ATI life and immediately gave her kid to a lesbian couple (btw why wouldn't a lesbian couple just do IVF? Cost is about the same for an adoption) and then once she had the kid placed she immediately went back to living the ATI life. I don't know if there was some underlying post-partum depression or something but it seemed weird that she could go back to her family so easily and then she also got married quickly. Wouldn't the husband's family think she was "damaged goods" for having a guy's kid out of wedlock?

 

Ruth's comments about the book/interview on CNN make me wonder if the publisher got scared of another James Frey situation and started asking too many questions for her taste?

 

Also what is with the Wall of Text posts? Is she too poor to afford an enter button? She used to blog with paragraphs.



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