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Rodrigues Family — What is going on
August 22, 2016
3:00 pm
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Year of the Wolf
Count de Meowmy
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January 11, 2013

Suzy Bishop-Shakusky meowed 

I was raised fundie (IFB) and while being totally submissive to our fathers and husbands was drilled into us. Signing our purity over to our fathers, creepy shit like that.

Women being silent in church is something I haven't come across.

I have noticed people like Steve Anderson preaching it.

Really? I was raised Baptist/Southern Baptist (in the 70s and 80s) then attended a sort of charismatic but not particularly fundie (sort of Pentacostal-Light) church in the late 90s, and it was big, big, big in every church we went to.

I Cor 14:34-35 (KJV): Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

I Timothy 2:11-14 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

I should clarify: It was never understood as literal and total silence; women were allowed to sing, pray, make announcements, call out "Amen"s or "Hallelujah"s, etc. It was always interpreted, and preached, as women are not to teach or preach, or give advice/counsel, particularly not to a man. Women could teach Sunday School up to a certain age* but their lesson plans had to be approved by the pastor/assistant pastor/SS director (always male); they could lead prayers but only at the request of and with approval from the pastor/assistant pastor, etc. Even the choir leaders and ushers had to be men in the Baptist/Southern Baptist churches, though the Pentacostal-ish church, surprisingly to me, allowed women to serve as ushers, choir director, etc, and the pastor's wife gave a little "woman to woman" sermon every Sunday. (Pre-approved by her husband, of course.)

I've seen the 1Cor 14:34 being spun as referring to chatter during the sermon, chit-chat and gossip, but the next verse about "learn any thing" gives the lie to that, as does the 1Tim reference.  

*About 6th grade. After that, they could teach a girls' Sunday School class, but boys or mixed groups were always taught by men, because the 1Tim reference was interpreted as if it were punctuated thusly: "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over, the man." It was okay for women to teach girls and other women, but not men, and once the boys hit puberty they were considered 'men.'

August 24, 2016
4:46 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
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May 25, 2015

Bacon in Beans, I wouldn't have called Jill a murmuring heart, but like I said, I wasn't in ATI so I don't get all of the nuance.  Yeah, from what I saw, murmuring heart was used to shut up people who complained, asked questions.  Like you said, it makes sense that authority uses it to keep people in "their place" and maintain their own authority.

I hadn't looked at the Mulletts' blog, but just now popped over. Oh. Sweet. Fancy. Moses. That book.  The blog post that we have to forgive people who "make bad choices" because Jesus wants that, and "bad choices" are looking at corn, abusing children, sexual assault, and murder.  Most "bad choices" are made because we are all selfish people.  So people abuse their children because they can't handle the kid or more interested in themselves than loving their kids.  People watch corn but never consider the pain that causes their families. Sexual assault is about greed and selfishness.  And killing another person while committing an armed robbery is basically an equal ad choice born of selfishness.  Selfish in this case because the killer would never have robbed this family if he had thought of his mother's pain watching him in court.

 

And THM– the original book had many sections and material talking about faith and God and the authors' beliefs, so word got out  that it was an eating plan from a Christian perspective and lots of women latched on to it.  I guess there's also appeal in that the writers realized that the meals needed to be fairly fast and easy to make for women with kids (busy!) and family friendly because most people don't want to make multiple meals.  Because it has become so popular with fundie women, the forums for it are dominated by them.  There's nothing particularly religious about the plan or recipes, but if I was on THM, I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing in their community boards. 

August 26, 2016
12:05 pm
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i love chili dogs
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January 25, 2013

Bacon in Beans at Restaurants meowed

Suzy Bishop-Shakusky meowed

Bacon in Beans at Restaurants meowed

So what's a "murmuring heart"? Sounds like a reproach to keep a woman from feeling too uppity and empowered, even about Jeebus, when there are far more important men with penises around to do the thinking for them. rolleyes

Reading this thread and following the Rodrigues is such an eye-opener. I thought being raised Catholic by an over-enthusiastic mother–who really, REALLY needed a decent hobby/outlet for her ambitions other than religion–was a huge pain-in-the-ass hardship. But my youth was one gloriously illicit walk in the park compared to these poor fundie b***hes…

I never thought about it that way, but that is really what it boils down to in a way.
Gothard's interpretation of Scripture is bastardized and has been under scrutiny since the 80's.
I'd listen to one of the homeless preacher's in Central Park over Gothard.
They have purer biblical knowledge.

I've had a few drinks tonight, enjoying the insanely beautiful weather in the 70's.
I can't really explain it clearly without getting on my rabid anti-fundamentalism soapbox.shutup

If you can stomach this link, it is a broken down informational on Gothard's murmuring heart bullshit.

http://www.themullettfamily.com/news-family-updates/does-your-heart-murmur/

That link is…interesting. The "murmuring heart" stuff is pure bullshit. The recipe section is actually interesting (is THM a fundie Christian thing?–it seems so many uber-religious women follow it and I wonder why?).

But the book about their son with the photoshop of him dancing on his own grave?  SO beyond f**ked up. I can't even bring myself to post the image here I find it so disturbing. http://www.themullettfamily.com/books/im-a-winner-either-way/  uh

ETA:

Spirits: So basically, calling someone a murmuring heart is just a way to shut someone up for daring to complain or question. How convenient.  I'm not surprised women get told it far more than men. Nice, easy way for the peens to quash any dissent in the lowly, unworthy ranks of women and children.

But how does Jill qualify as a murmuring heart? I think her sin is pride and boastfulness (although she is forever proclaiming that she NEVER boasts of tomorrow!), not dissatisfaction. Of course not knowing fundie logic, I am probably not interpreting her behavior correctly…

eek
The image of their dead son dancing on his own grave defies explanation. WTF is wrong with these people?

August 26, 2016
1:39 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
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Meows: 1110
Snarking Since:
May 25, 2015

The Mulletts may quite possibly be freakier than the Rodriguezes.

August 26, 2016
3:28 pm
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Bacon in Beans at Restaurants meowed

Suzy Bishop-Shakusky meowed

Bacon in Beans at Restaurants meowed

So what's a "murmuring heart"? Sounds like a reproach to keep a woman from feeling too uppity and empowered, even about Jeebus, when there are far more important men with penises around to do the thinking for them. rolleyes

Reading this thread and following the Rodrigues is such an eye-opener. I thought being raised Catholic by an over-enthusiastic mother–who really, REALLY needed a decent hobby/outlet for her ambitions other than religion–was a huge pain-in-the-ass hardship. But my youth was one gloriously illicit walk in the park compared to these poor fundie b***hes…

I never thought about it that way, but that is really what it boils down to in a way.
Gothard's interpretation of Scripture is bastardized and has been under scrutiny since the 80's.
I'd listen to one of the homeless preacher's in Central Park over Gothard.
They have purer biblical knowledge.

I've had a few drinks tonight, enjoying the insanely beautiful weather in the 70's.
I can't really explain it clearly without getting on my rabid anti-fundamentalism soapbox.shutup

If you can stomach this link, it is a broken down informational on Gothard's murmuring heart bullshit.

http://www.themullettfamily.com/news-family-updates/does-your-heart-murmur/

That link is…interesting. The "murmuring heart" stuff is pure bullshit. The recipe section is actually interesting (is THM a fundie Christian thing?–it seems so many uber-religious women follow it and I wonder why?).

But the book about their son with the photoshop of him dancing on his own grave?  SO beyond f**ked up. I can't even bring myself to post the image here I find it so disturbing. http://www.themullettfamily.com/books/im-a-winner-either-way/  uh

I'm rather surprised to see the Mullet's quote from Gothard. They are from an Anabaptist/ Mennonite background not his normal following.  I don't really think they even count as Fundie because their origin is completely different (Amish/ Conservative Mennonite). 

BTW, Jill seems to have heard you all talking about how she isn't really homeschooling. She posted a horrible video to show their "Homeschool Day". It show nothing but petrified kids claiming they LOVE, LOVE, LOVE homeschooling because it protects them from the Evil Public School and mommy is an excellent teacher. Yeah, not staged or ANYTHING!!

August 26, 2016
4:49 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
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Meows: 1110
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May 25, 2015

That video is all at once hilarious, sad, and (eye roll) of course.  Of course, they love homeschooling and think its just the bestest. They don't know anything else.  All they really know of public schools and secular education is what they get from their parents and maybe the news.  So all they know is dirty sex ed, ebil Darwin, can't pray, no God, mass shootings, bullying, boys in girls' bathrooms, co-ed relationships, no Bible– any of this stuff could challenge the purity of their ideas and knowledge, challenge their faith, place them in a position to forge relationships and give away pieces of their hearts, or even get them into relationships that could end up in some bumpin' uglies.

What I found sad was the kids saying how they loved spending all day, everyday around family.  They really don't seem to have many friends or even regular contact with others beyond their household.  Listening to them is to hear stunted minds.  Limited vocabularies, limited ideas, and all just a basic regurgitation of what their parents say.  Especially for older teenagers, part of growing up is finding out you are as an individual and meeting new people, processing new ideas, and learning about ideas that challenge your own ideas to better know and understand what you really think, believe, and feel for yourself.  

August 26, 2016
5:03 pm
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Suzy Bishop-Shakusky
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Snarking Since:
June 15, 2015

Spirits of elderflower meowed

That video is all at once hilarious, sad, and (eye roll) of course.  Of course, they love homeschooling and think its just the bestest. They don't know anything else.  All they really know of public schools and secular education is what they get from their parents and maybe the news.  So all they know is dirty sex ed, ebil Darwin, can't pray, no God, mass shootings, bullying, boys in girls' bathrooms, co-ed relationships, no Bible– any of this stuff could challenge the purity of their ideas and knowledge, challenge their faith, place them in a position to forge relationships and give away pieces of their hearts, or even get them into relationships that could end up in some bumpin' uglies.

What I found sad was the kids saying how they loved spending all day, everyday around family.  They really don't seem to have many friends or even regular contact with others beyond their household.  Listening to them is to hear stunted minds.  Limited vocabularies, limited ideas, and all just a basic regurgitation of what their parents say.  Especially for older teenagers, part of growing up is finding out you are as an individual and meeting new people, processing new ideas, and learning about ideas that challenge your own ideas to better know and understand what you really think, believe, and feel for yourself.  

I spy a REBEL!
A girl full of rebellion will never find a husband!

That is exactly what fundies do to their children.
They break their spirt and try to make sure any true individuality is crushed.
Personal ideals?
Not accepted.

As for the Mullet family.
Gothard has/had many followers with Anabaptist/Mennonite backgrounds.
Not all but many are estranged from their families and background.

September 3, 2016
7:43 pm
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Fickle Fox
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October 31, 2014

I wouldn't have thought that shilling weight loss products was a Christian thing?

Interesting that Nurie has a Facebook page but Jill seems to be the one running it. The Facebook Live clips are illuminating and so sad.

September 4, 2016
12:52 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1110
Snarking Since:
May 25, 2015

If you mean shilling weight loss products as in Trim Healthy Mama, from what I can tell from most of the bloggers who mention it, they aren't really shilling it in the traditional sense of selling something.  Typically the button for THM takes you to the THM site where you can join free forums to share recipes, workout ideas, motivation, etc. I'm not sure bloggers get any $$ if people buy the THM cookbook via their links or not. A lot of bloggers also post that they're THM so anyone doing the program knows the recipes they post fit the guidelines.

September 12, 2016
12:00 pm
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Fickle Fox
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Meows: 36
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October 31, 2014

No – she's shilling Plexus Slim, which from what I gather is some sort of pyramid selling scheme for protein shakes that allegedly make you lose weight. She's had a couple of Facebook live videos about the product and how she's selling now. That and Nurie's jewellery business.

September 12, 2016
1:42 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1110
Snarking Since:
May 25, 2015

I see. Thanks. I don't follow them on Facebook so I hadn't seen that. Surprised she doesn't cover all her bases and put it on her blog too.

September 12, 2016
2:34 pm
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Bacon in Beans at Restaurants
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Meows: 2635
Snarking Since:
November 10, 2013

So Nurie is selling jewelry to fund a mission trip. But what if she wanted to go to school to become a nurse? That's a godly-approved woman's job, isn't it? Would they support her? Or do suppose they'd prefer to marry her off to a nice, well-off fundie boy? There's any number of good-looking, unrelated young men in their trip photos… 

She seems like such a sweet young woman. I hope she gets to become more than just a baby-maker.

October 10, 2016
5:49 pm
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Spirits of elderflower
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Meows: 1110
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May 25, 2015

Jill just posted pics of all the travel they did in Aug and Sept.  This one gave me nausea:

LOVE

LOVE





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