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Sister Wives
December 30, 2012
7:07 pm
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Chutes And Ladders

Okay – I'm still catching up now on Season 3 – so if you don't want to read any SPOILERS – shut the page now.

Just viewed the 14the episode where "Kody Begs For An Answer" in regards to Meri wanting to potentially have or not have a child.  He says, "I do want you to have another baby, but I don't like waiting for the answer.  Your indecision, I feel like trifles with mine but me pushing you for a decision pushes with yours."

This is such gas lighting!  OMG yuck!  His holier than thou complex (Kody) is so sickening to me.  I don't care if someone is in a mutually acceptable relationship where there are wives to a man, polygamy; but it is and was so evident that Meri is wanting to sort it out herself and Kody is all, "Why don't you get God's decision?"  He tries to put pressure on her with all the ins and outs of what is supposed to happen in such a black and white manner that I want to deck this shithead. Let this other person decide.  Likening it to a "contract" for a YES or NO is so undermining.  

I'm not sure how I can even view this show without having a feminist bias.  This shit is crazy.  Fundamentalist or not – this is abuse.  Gas lighting is abuse.  I just cannot get with this.  He even tries to comfort her after taking her down by saying, "I'm sorry this is hard Meri."  It's all bullshit and Meri is truly trying to let him know that he really doesn't understand what it is like for her.

Yuck.  This show….how did they find them?  I know there are more polygamist families out there that aren't willing to show what is going on, but what is going on HERE is so bonkers.  I'm going to try to stomach the next few episodes of this season.  Just wow!

Sorry for the TLDR!  WALL OF TEXT necessary!

December 30, 2012
9:52 pm
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tiny accessory muscl

Chutes And Ladders said
Okay – I'm still catching up now on Season 3 – so if you don't want to read any SPOILERS – shut the page now.

Just viewed the 14the episode where "Kody Begs For An Answer" in regards to Meri wanting to potentially have or not have a child.  He says, "I do want you to have another baby, but I don't like waiting for the answer.  Your indecision, I feel like trifles with mine but me pushing you for a decision pushes with yours."

This is such gas lighting!  OMG yuck!  His holier than thou complex (Kody) is so sickening to me.  I don't care if someone is in a mutually acceptable relationship where there are wives to a man, polygamy; but it is and was so evident that Meri is wanting to sort it out herself and Kody is all, "Why don't you get God's decision?"  He tries to put pressure on her with all the ins and outs of what is supposed to happen in such a black and white manner that I want to deck this shithead. Let this other person decide.  Likening it to a "contract" for a YES or NO is so undermining.  

I'm not sure how I can even view this show without having a feminist bias.  This shit is crazy.  Fundamentalist or not – this is abuse.  Gas lighting is abuse.  I just cannot get with this.  He even tries to comfort her after taking her down by saying, "I'm sorry this is hard Meri."  It's all bullshit and Meri is truly trying to let him know that he really doesn't understand what it is like for her.

Yuck.  This show….how did they find them?  I know there are more polygamist families out there that aren't willing to show what is going on, but what is going on HERE is so bonkers.  I'm going to try to stomach the next few episodes of this season.  Just wow!

Sorry for the TLDR!  WALL OF TEXT necessary!

This is a really interesting perspective re: abuse. I saw that episode and felt *completely* icky when he made those comments and gave her a "yes or no" deadline. It felt like bulldozing and complete insensitivity, but I didn't recognize the gas lighting. That's really interesting. I don't think Moriah's response was appropriate either, but she gets some leeway for being a kid. 

And yeah, these people aren't crazy because they're polygamists, they're crazy because they're crazy. I'd be really interested in a show featuring a more "normal", reasonable, functional polygamist family.

December 30, 2012
10:55 pm
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crankysue
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ReaderOfSnark said

Chutes And Ladders said
Okay – I'm still catching up now on Season 3 – so if you don't want to read any SPOILERS – shut the page now.

Just viewed the 14the episode where "Kody Begs For An Answer" in regards to Meri wanting to potentially have or not have a child.  He says, "I do want you to have another baby, but I don't like waiting for the answer.  Your indecision, I feel like trifles with mine but me pushing you for a decision pushes with yours."

This is such gas lighting!  OMG yuck!  His holier than thou complex (Kody) is so sickening to me.  I don't care if someone is in a mutually acceptable relationship where there are wives to a man, polygamy; but it is and was so evident that Meri is wanting to sort it out herself and Kody is all, "Why don't you get God's decision?"  He tries to put pressure on her with all the ins and outs of what is supposed to happen in such a black and white manner that I want to deck this shithead. Let this other person decide.  Likening it to a "contract" for a YES or NO is so undermining.  

I'm not sure how I can even view this show without having a feminist bias.  This shit is crazy.  Fundamentalist or not – this is abuse.  Gas lighting is abuse.  I just cannot get with this.  He even tries to comfort her after taking her down by saying, "I'm sorry this is hard Meri."  It's all bullshit and Meri is truly trying to let him know that he really doesn't understand what it is like for her.

Yuck.  This show….how did they find them?  I know there are more polygamist families out there that aren't willing to show what is going on, but what is going on HERE is so bonkers.  I'm going to try to stomach the next few episodes of this season.  Just wow!

Sorry for the TLDR!  WALL OF TEXT necessary!

This is a really interesting perspective re: abuse. I saw that episode and felt *completely* icky when he made those comments and gave her a "yes or no" deadline. It felt like bulldozing and complete insensitivity, but I didn't recognize the gas lighting. That's really interesting. I don't think Moriah's response was appropriate either, but she gets some leeway for being a kid. 

And yeah, these people aren't crazy because they're polygamists, they're crazy because they're crazy. I'd be really interested in a show featuring a more "normal", reasonable, functional polygamist family.

This!  Last week I saw that this show was on Netflix and watched season 1 and maybe half of Season 2.  But I couldn't help but think it was funny that they keep saying shit like "We do this because we want people to know it's ok to be polygamists!  We don't have to be ashamed!"  Ummm, I'm sure there are a lot of polygamists out there who really hate you.  You're making them look worse, not better.

 

Also, I think it's kind of an awful parenting position on Robyn's part to put her son with Asberger's in that situation.  I guess in theory it could help him but my guess would be that the opposite will occur…he'll become even more socially withdrawn and constantly feel overwhelmed. 

December 30, 2012
11:22 pm
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Wee

Just watched the final show and follow up hour. Jenelle wants to kill everyone. You can see it in her eyes. 

 

That's all I wanted to add. 

December 31, 2012
10:26 am
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I like to watch Dr Phil drunk
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I don't understand how Janelle accepts and stays in their "religion." When her and Meri are blubbering about their daughters and the FLDS dresses…just massive eye rolls all around. She's a woman with a degree and I think a background in accounting? She has a brain, so I don't understand how she even stays.

I keep coming back to this philosophic debate about polygamy with myself, and the problems and hypocrisy I witness in them that I truly cannot wrap my head around anymore.

I also don't understand how all of them think it's so "vulgar" (a word Kody used in an earlier episode) for a woman to have multiple husbands. In all honesty, I personally don't care how many spouses/lovers a person has. If someone wants to do that, or have relationships with multiple people, that's fine — I do not care morally, spiritually, or ethically about it because I only see marriage in its strictest sense — a social contract that establishes rights and obligations. But I don't get how they can call the same scenario vulgar if it's the woman holding multiple partners.

When they go on that Illinois trip and the tour guide tells them that many of the Mormon women in the community held multiple husbands, Robyn looks like her head is gonna essplode. Are you f**king serious people? What do you think polygamy is for but to diversify and increase population very quickly?? This happens to be super convenient for 19th century religious rural nuts who want to build up a massive farm/chore brigade and indoctrinate them swiftly. If one man has multiple wives, he can have concurrent children and build up his family and community rapidly. And then if that same community allows woman to have multiple husbands, it's a way of ensuring that the population is (hopefully) biologically diverse enough for illnesses, diseases, and hereditary things.

But it's 2012 and the Browns don't live on a farm. So does Mormon catechism not include a historical perspective? 

So unless they are consistent across the board that they believe that all people can or should have the choice of multiple spouses/lovers, then I can see no reason to live this way anymore and they are just irritating, delusional hypocrites.

December 31, 2012
1:00 pm
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Wee

@kellogg… seriously with the meltdown over the FLDS dresses. They were dresses. They took them off. Not a big deal. Chill the heck out. 

 

So, am I to understand correctly that there are five adults in this marriage, and only two work? And the rest just hope and pray that they can afford their new houses? 

December 31, 2012
1:35 pm
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Stephie
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Why isn't there a button for me to 'like' WeeWillyWinkie's comment?

December 31, 2012
2:53 pm
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chocolatepuddin
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WeeWillyWinkie said
@kellogg… seriously with the meltdown over the FLDS dresses. They were dresses. They took them off. Not a big deal. Chill the heck out. 

 

So, am I to understand correctly that there are five adults in this marriage, and only two work? And the rest just hope and pray that they can afford their new houses? 

I don't think any of them currently have a "real" job. Janelle took (and passed) the Real Estate license exam in NV, and I think Christine just retook (and passed) the exam, but as far as I know, neither of them are actually working. Thier income is the My Sister Wife's Closet jewelry, TLC, and book income.

 

Kody and Janelle used to be the only ones who worked, but that was when they were living in UT.

December 31, 2012
3:00 pm
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tiny accessory muscl

WeeWillyWinkie said
Just watched the final show and follow up hour. Jenelle wants to kill everyone. You can see it in her eyes. 

 

That's all I wanted to add. 

 

Yes, she really does look like she's "rolling her eyes on the inside" just about all the time. When the interviewer asked her about the time she left, and if she would ever leave again, she only said that her kids are part of the "fabric of the family" and she wouldn't take them away from the rest of the family – NOT that she herself does not want to leave. She seems so very unhappy. I can't blame her. 

I was also struck by the finale episode where the wives are making final decisions about their houses. Meri is way over budget so that she can have 5 bedrooms and a wet bar, while Janelle has fewer rooms (makes her kids share) and gives up something as basic as a cement pad out back in order to stay within budget. Every time they talk about money and housing, you can see that it really burns Janelle, but she completely bottles it up inside. 

December 31, 2012
3:03 pm
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tiny accessory muscl

Also, Kody says AGAIN in the finale episode that he wishes his wives would "just obey" him and not question his decisions. Is he serious with the word obey?!

December 31, 2012
3:18 pm
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Iwanka Frump
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chocolatepuddin said

hello there said
Also, can we talk about how financially irresponsible it is for these clowns to be buying four homes that all together cost around $2 million?! They have all individually filed for bankruptcy in the past and their only source of income is a moderate but fleeting paycheck from TLC. This will not end well, just like most other things this family plans.

I do not understand how they got approved for loans. Color me clueless, but I thought it was difficult to get approved for a loan nowadays, and it seems like buying in Vegas, where there is one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation, would make it even more difficult.

I'd put bets on the probability that TLC has underwritten their mortgages. It's good for their story arc for the houses to come through. I mean you can pull an entire season out of packing up and moving in alone. Without the houses the show flounders. I mean who wants to tune in week after week to see them moping about their rental homes.

December 31, 2012
4:06 pm
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ReaderOfSnark said

WeeWillyWinkie said
Just watched the final show and follow up hour. Jenelle wants to kill everyone. You can see it in her eyes. 

 

That's all I wanted to add. 

 

Yes, she really does look like she's "rolling her eyes on the inside" just about all the time. When the interviewer asked her about the time she left, and if she would ever leave again, she only said that her kids are part of the "fabric of the family" and she wouldn't take them away from the rest of the family – NOT that she herself does not want to leave. She seems so very unhappy. I can't blame her. 

I was also struck by the finale episode where the wives are making final decisions about their houses. Meri is way over budget so that she can have 5 bedrooms and a wet bar, while Janelle has fewer rooms (makes her kids share) and gives up something as basic as a cement pad out back in order to stay within budget. Every time they talk about money and housing, you can see that it really burns Janelle, but she completely bottles it up inside. 

Also, I get the feeling Meri emotionally manipulates the other wives because she can't have children. The fact that she has a five bedroom house with a wet bar is freaking ridiculous, not to mention when anyone side eyes her about it, she throws a hissy fit.

December 31, 2012
4:11 pm
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chocolatepuddin
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Miss Noir said

ReaderOfSnark said

WeeWillyWinkie said
Just watched the final show and follow up hour. Jenelle wants to kill everyone. You can see it in her eyes. 

 

That's all I wanted to add. 

 

Yes, she really does look like she's "rolling her eyes on the inside" just about all the time. When the interviewer asked her about the time she left, and if she would ever leave again, she only said that her kids are part of the "fabric of the family" and she wouldn't take them away from the rest of the family – NOT that she herself does not want to leave. She seems so very unhappy. I can't blame her. 

I was also struck by the finale episode where the wives are making final decisions about their houses. Meri is way over budget so that she can have 5 bedrooms and a wet bar, while Janelle has fewer rooms (makes her kids share) and gives up something as basic as a cement pad out back in order to stay within budget. Every time they talk about money and housing, you can see that it really burns Janelle, but she completely bottles it up inside. 

Also, I get the feeling Meri emotionally manipulates the other wives because she can't have children. The fact that she has a five bedroom house with a wet bar is freaking ridiculous, not to mention when anyone side eyes her about it, she throws a hissy fit.

And that's the crazy thing – Meri's all "Wahhh, I can't have kids, but I should get the same amount of house because I WANTED more kids!", but can you imagine how sad and lonely she'll be in that big house where her daughter goes to college next year? One woman, five bedrooms, and wetbar with no booze. That just makes ME feel sad.



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