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June 24, 2014
10:02 pm
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I can't even with a lot of these mid-size travel/expat bloggers – they think that "tourist" is the worst insult possible to the point where they won't visit major sites like monuments or temples because doing what the locals do is more important than seeing historic or cultural sites, they come back from a trip to Italy and say they've been to "Napoli" instead of "Naples" even though they don't speak any Italian, and they talk romantically about their "nomadic souls" as if they're f**king ghosts in a Victorian novel cursed to wander the Earth forever without a resting place.

A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

fka She Did What
June 24, 2014
10:41 pm
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SheDidWhat said
A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

As someone who has lived in 3 countries, I can say without question that she missed some important points in her little check list about MOVING overseas:

1. Research the country you are moving to – its people, economy, job market, standard of living, wages, health care, housing, etc.

2. Check visa requirements for that country

3. Have enough money saved before applying for visa (you can't move anywhere if your ass is broke)

4. Apply for visa

5. Wait months or years for visa approval

6. If not sponsored by an employer, apply for jobs

7. Find somewhere to live

8. Book ticket

9. Inform relevant places of your move, such as your bank, accountant, etc.

10. "Say goodbye".

 

Where's my sponsorship?

And what a shock: Living in Another Language is a "designer", just like every other blogger on the internet. rolleyes

June 24, 2014
11:35 pm
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That's too funny. I was reading that stupid post by Living in Another Language today too and was just shaking me head at the girl. It's the laziest and most mis-leading post about travel and moving that I've seen in a long time.

June 25, 2014
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Beverly Stevens Peevyhouse Cannot Stop Lying
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What Uretha Franklin said.

 

As someone who has lived in 4 countries, can I just there is a difference between living somewhere for a year and living somewhere for a few years? There is a difference between living somewhere urban and somewhere remote. There is a difference between living in a developed nation and a developing nation. These differences require planning.

People ask me how I did it, what's it like? They tell me they want to go where I went and do what I did. You know why they don't do it? Bc: of a guy/girl they're dating, pet, car, friends, family, job, money, etc. All excuses really but the money one. You will have to save up, maybe get a second job or third job like I did.

 

Some expats arrive with a suitcase or two. Others arrive with their family and ship the contents of most of their house. There's a massive difference between an ESL teacher in Tokyo and investment banker.

There is a massive difference between being a local and being an expat. As an expat you will never be a true local yet the longer you're away from your home country the less it feels like home. Only fellow expats can truly understand but beware: expats tend to congregate and whine, they're all a bit strange but so are you or you wouldn't leave home, but you may need their help. Long term expats tend to native partners/spouses/friends who are a massive help in a bind.

 

Back to this couple, lots of people do what they are doing. I can see how there would people curious to read their posts. Seriously, I can't even hate. I will agree that that post you linked to is a bit oversimplified but my take on it is that they're trying to encourage people to see that it's not really that hard so quit making excuses. I often tell people: save money, find a visa/job, buy ticket, and go. I know they're anxious so they'll research stuff and ask me questions. Worst case scenario you can always go back home.

June 25, 2014
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Just want to add: it's not always possible or a good idea to find some place to live before hand. Like in Thailand, you can't get anything beyond a 90 day tourist visa before you get there so must people rock up and stay in a hotel until they find someplace. Or their job may provide a place. It takes a while to complete the process for a proper visa and work permit there. So give immigration a hotel address and look around when you get there.

 

Whereas in a more developed nation this wouldn't be the case you want to have the visa beforehand and find a place before you get there.

June 25, 2014
9:55 am
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Urethra Franklin said

SheDidWhat said
A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

As someone who has lived in 3 countries, I can say without question that she missed some important points in her little check list about MOVING overseas:

1. Research the country you are moving to – its people, economy, job market, standard of living, wages, health care, housing, etc.

2. Check visa requirements for that country

3. Have enough money saved before applying for visa (you can't move anywhere if your ass is broke)

4. Apply for visa

5. Wait months or years for visa approval

6. If not sponsored by an employer, apply for jobs

7. Find somewhere to live

8. Book ticket

9. Inform relevant places of your move, such as your bank, accountant, etc.

10. "Say goodbye".

 

Where's my sponsorship?

And what a shock: Living in Another Language is a "designer", just like every other blogger on the internet. rolleyes

Well said! sha_clap2I would be really intersted in your blog if you will ever have one. I am planning for a year away 4 years in advance and I am going to need every advice possible. So keep your words coming! wink

I agree with what everyone else also said. Don't hate her, but please, be realistic. I believe her readers will really appreciate that.

June 25, 2014
10:26 am
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Drunk kitten said

Urethra Franklin said

SheDidWhat said
A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

As someone who has lived in 3 countries, I can say without question that she missed some important points in her little check list about MOVING overseas:

1. Research the country you are moving to – its people, economy, job market, standard of living, wages, health care, housing, etc.

2. Check visa requirements for that country

3. Have enough money saved before applying for visa (you can't move anywhere if your ass is broke)

4. Apply for visa

5. Wait months or years for visa approval

6. If not sponsored by an employer, apply for jobs

7. Find somewhere to live

8. Book ticket

9. Inform relevant places of your move, such as your bank, accountant, etc.

10. "Say goodbye".

 

Where's my sponsorship?

And what a shock: Living in Another Language is a "designer", just like every other blogger on the internet. rolleyes

Well said! sha_clap2I would be really intersted in your blog if you will ever have one. I am planning for a year away 4 years in advance and I am going to need every advice possible. So keep your words coming! wink

I agree with what everyone else also said. Don't hate her, but please, be realistic. I believe her readers will really appreciate that.

Where you off to if you off to if you don't mind my asking? Plan to travel, volunteer, or work? Might be able to get some advice here. Yes & Yes may be a good place to find some info, I know she's done interviews and wrote an ebook (choose your own adventrure?) about ways to do extended travel such as tree planting in Canada, ESL, and au pair work.

June 25, 2014
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Your mother said

Drunk kitten said

Urethra Franklin said

SheDidWhat said
A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

As someone who has lived in 3 countries, I can say without question that she missed some important points in her little check list about MOVING overseas:

1. Research the country you are moving to – its people, economy, job market, standard of living, wages, health care, housing, etc.

2. Check visa requirements for that country

3. Have enough money saved before applying for visa (you can't move anywhere if your ass is broke)

4. Apply for visa

5. Wait months or years for visa approval

6. If not sponsored by an employer, apply for jobs

7. Find somewhere to live

8. Book ticket

9. Inform relevant places of your move, such as your bank, accountant, etc.

10. "Say goodbye".

 

Where's my sponsorship?

And what a shock: Living in Another Language is a "designer", just like every other blogger on the internet. rolleyes

Well said! sha_clap2I would be really intersted in your blog if you will ever have one. I am planning for a year away 4 years in advance and I am going to need every advice possible. So keep your words coming! wink

I agree with what everyone else also said. Don't hate her, but please, be realistic. I believe her readers will really appreciate that.

Where you off to if you off to if you don't mind my asking? Plan to travel, volunteer, or work? Might be able to get some advice here. Yes & Yes may be a good place to find some info, I know she's done interviews and wrote an ebook (choose your own adventrure?) about ways to do extended travel such as tree planting in Canada, ESL, and au pair work.

 

Thank you!! I will check her out as soon as possible. And I don't mind at all. So, I am planning two/three different trips. One for work 1/2 months in London next summer, the year after I hope to volunteer at an environmental/animal protection camp in Mexico and, after graduating university, I am planning to go to Australia for a year with a Working Holiday Visa. I know it looks like too much maybe, but I like to think big and make it.wink If you have any tips, they are very welcome.

June 25, 2014
5:42 pm
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Beverly Stevens Peevyhouse Cannot Stop Lying
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Your mother said

Drunk kitten said

Urethra Franklin said

SheDidWhat said
A post on Living In Another Language was the tipping point for me to make this thread where she gives tips for how to move overseas.  Ready?

1. Check visa requirements
2. Book tickets
3. Pack
4. Say goodbye to friends and family
Are you f**king kidding me?  Someone sponsored that shit?  angry

As someone who has lived in 3 countries, I can say without question that she missed some important points in her little check list about MOVING overseas:

1. Research the country you are moving to – its people, economy, job market, standard of living, wages, health care, housing, etc.

2. Check visa requirements for that country

3. Have enough money saved before applying for visa (you can't move anywhere if your ass is broke)

4. Apply for visa

5. Wait months or years for visa approval

6. If not sponsored by an employer, apply for jobs

7. Find somewhere to live

8. Book ticket

9. Inform relevant places of your move, such as your bank, accountant, etc.

10. "Say goodbye".

 

Where's my sponsorship?

And what a shock: Living in Another Language is a "designer", just like every other blogger on the internet. rolleyes

Well said! sha_clap2I would be really intersted in your blog if you will ever have one. I am planning for a year away 4 years in advance and I am going to need every advice possible. So keep your words coming! wink

I agree with what everyone else also said. Don't hate her, but please, be realistic. I believe her readers will really appreciate that.

Where you off to if you off to if you don't mind my asking? Plan to travel, volunteer, or work? Might be able to get some advice here. Yes & Yes may be a good place to find some info, I know she's done interviews and wrote an ebook (choose your own adventrure?) about ways to do extended travel such as tree planting in Canada, ESL, and au pair work.

 

Thank you!! I will check her out as soon as possible. And I don't mind at all. So, I am planning two/three different trips. One for work 1/2 months in London next summer, the year after I hope to volunteer at an environmental/animal protection camp in Mexico and, after graduating university, I am planning to go to Australia for a year with a Working Holiday Visa. I know it looks like too much maybe, but I like to think big and make it.wink If you have any tips, they are very welcome.

June 25, 2014
5:52 pm
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Beverly Stevens Peevyhouse Cannot Stop Lying
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Well that sucked, I typed out a reply and tried to edit out all the other stuff to neaten but clearly that didn't work too well. Ugh. drool

 

I assume you are seeking a tier 5 visa of some sort for the UK? If you're American the UK-Yankee forum is massively helpful. If you're not American, it's still the best forum on the topic I've found (couple years ago mind you) bc it's not spammy. Although if you're not American and you qualify for a Youth Mobility Scheme visa it will be easier for you bc they don't require sponsorship if I recall correctly. See a lot of employers can't be arsed to go through the headache of sponsoring someone. Which doesn't mean it's impossible, so if you want to come next summer I'd start planning now. Whatever visa you do apply for they will require you have x amount of money saved up in addition to visa fees nevermind plane tickets and a place to stay.

June 25, 2014
5:53 pm
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Your mother said
 

Back to this couple, lots of people do what they are doing. I can see how there would people curious to read their posts. Seriously, I can't even hate. I will agree that that post you linked to is a bit oversimplified but my take on it is that they're trying to encourage people to see that it's not really that hard so quit making excuses. I often tell people: save money, find a visa/job, buy ticket, and go. I know they're anxious so they'll research stuff and ask me questions. Worst case scenario you can always go back home.

there are hundreds of posts like that on her blog – oh look, here's another one, from January, also called Tips On Moving Abroad
1. research the area – NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.
2. pack and repack – "When looking at the price of taking extra baggage aboard the airplane, we made the decision to go through and cut out half of what we were planning on bringing. Why? Time and money. Was it really necessary to bring all that stuff to travel and live overseas?" HEY THAT'S GREAT ADVICE. EXCEPT WAIT…
3. stock up on what you can't get in your new country – INCLUDING FOUNDATION, CONCEALER, AND DAIR DYE, because god forbid you go traveling without those things  boys, don't forget to pack enough beef jerkey because you can't get that in Asia!
4. realize your life is going to be different – ISN'T THAT WHY PEOPLE MOVE ABROAD?

 

I get that people are curious and I'm all for encouraging people to go travel or move abroad if possible, but I can totally hate on this girl and the dozens of travel/expat bloggers out there who are the exact same brand of obnoxious and culturally unaware, thank you.  

fka She Did What
June 25, 2014
6:13 pm
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Beverly Stevens Peevyhouse Cannot Stop Lying
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SheDidWhat said

Your mother said
 

Back to this couple, lots of people do what they are doing. I can see how there would people curious to read their posts. Seriously, I can't even hate. I will agree that that post you linked to is a bit oversimplified but my take on it is that they're trying to encourage people to see that it's not really that hard so quit making excuses. I often tell people: save money, find a visa/job, buy ticket, and go. I know they're anxious so they'll research stuff and ask me questions. Worst case scenario you can always go back home.

there are hundreds of posts like that on her blog – oh look, here's another one, from January, also called Tips On Moving Abroad
1. research the area – NO SHIT, SHERLOCK.
2. pack and repack – "When looking at the price of taking extra baggage aboard the airplane, we made the decision to go through and cut out half of what we were planning on bringing. Why? Time and money. Was it really necessary to bring all that stuff to travel and live overseas?" HEY THAT'S GREAT ADVICE. EXCEPT WAIT…
3. stock up on what you can't get in your new country – INCLUDING FOUNDATION, CONCEALER, AND DAIR DYE, because god forbid you go traveling without those things  boys, don't forget to pack enough beef jerkey because you can't get that in Asia!
4. realize your life is going to be different – ISN'T THAT WHY PEOPLE MOVE ABROAD?

 

I get that people are curious and I'm all for encouraging people to go travel or move abroad if possible, but I can totally hate on this girl and the dozens of travel/expat bloggers out there who are the exact same brand of obnoxious and culturally unaware, thank you.  

Are you an expat? Then perhaps you don't understand the frustration of not being able to buy something you would assume would be easy like foundation in your shade or tampons when you move abroad. Depends where you go of course. In Japan I could not find shoes in my size for love or money so you better believe I took care of the ones I did bring.

You seem to have some interest in travel/expat blogs for some reason. Based on the number of fellow expat coworkers who b***hed about how different things are or were just in complete culture shock, I'd say #1 & 4 seem very duh but actually, lots of people are surprised for these reasons. Lots of people are completely unprepared!

I don't give a flying f**k what you think about anything, hate me, hate them, whatever. You're obviously not very clever for posting this in the lifestyle forum when there's a whole forum for international bloggers and blogs based outside of the US! finger

June 25, 2014
7:31 pm
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Wow, that escalated quickly…

 

to WK for SheDidWhat for a minute, I lived in England for a few years and we did travel, get involved in our local community, etc., and I have A LOT of complaints and frustrations over blogs like the (I believe defunct) "Across the Pond", where she claimed an expat identity and made vague references to travel, but from her posts rarely left her apartment and her traveling involved a couple of trips to Tuscany and one to Amsterdam, where she claimed to "only travel like a local", so she went to the red light district because that is SO MUCH more "local" than the Anne Frank House or Rembranthaus. She seemed to focus more on her "former industry girl", but not entirely brand as a fashion blogger. So I would say there are quite a few travel/international that have a very blurred line into lifestyle blogging. 

 

And while I did live in a similar culture to the USA, I only packed 1-2 backups of most of my toiletries and such (I did a lot of googling/asking people for what was and wasn't available) to give myself a comfortable window to find local products that would suit me. Again, this doesn't translate to moving to a culture that might not have my super-pasty-pale face powder (England was perfect, ha!), but I don't know that an entire suitcase of beef jerky and Kraft mac-n-cheese is really more practical than taking suitable clothing you already own.

 

As for the original quoted post, sure. Her four steps are PART of the process, but as Urethra Franklin pointed out, there's a hell of a lot more that goes into it. I'd assume readers would click on a post like that from AN EXPAT BLOGGER in order to find out the details, idiosyncrasies, particularities… not the obvious "pack a suitcase". No shit, indeed. You need to do that to move to Kansas. 



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