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Running Coaches
October 6, 2016
7:11 am
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littlebear
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Meows: 85
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March 13, 2014

I used Sage Running (Sage Canaday and Sandi Nypaver).  They are pretty amazing.  Very supportive and work really well with tailoring a plan to your life and schedule.  I started using them because I was training for a 100K trail and just didn't know how to build volume without getting injured.  They put together a great plan for me and even helped with race day tips and plans.  I loved working with them so much that I also used them the following season to PR a 50K and then decided that I wanted a fast road half and worked with them on that.  I had a few weeks of coaching left after that so they also worked with me to help PR a 5K.  All of this to say that they are really good across distance and surface. Between the two of them they have a lot of experience.  Sandi has had a lot of success up to 100 miles on trails.  Sage has a lot of road success in addition to trail.  They were always available via email for questions and built the plans week by week based on how workouts were progressing.  Sandi is Lydiard certified and Sage trained with the Hansons so a lot of the workouts have that type of flavor, but they also have a lot of creative ways to switch things up.  Just thought I would give a thumbs up in case anyone is looking for good trail coaches.

October 6, 2016
12:56 pm
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sweet potato-induced psychosis
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1929
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September 7, 2014

ham goggles meowed
Is Mark Hadley Alana Hadley's dad? If so, then I'm not surprised he runs people into the ground since he basically did it to his own kid.

I've had such a good experience using the Hanson's basic beginner plan that I will probably use one of their coaches next fall when I want to seriously aim for a BQ. We shall see.

Yes. Poor girl is a mess.

October 6, 2016
12:57 pm
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zombies
Hamcat
Meows: 64
Snarking Since:
February 11, 2014

I would advise against using Steph Rothstein-Bruce for a coach. Overpriced and it took forever for her to get back to me on anything. 

October 6, 2016
9:27 pm
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busted can of biscuits
Kitten
Meows: 5
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March 3, 2015

littlebear meowed

I used Sage Running (Sage Canaday and Sandi Nypaver).  They are pretty amazing.  Very supportive and work really well with tailoring a plan to your life and schedule.  I started using them because I was training for a 100K trail and just didn't know how to build volume without getting injured.  They put together a great plan for me and even helped with race day tips and plans.  I loved working with them so much that I also used them the following season to PR a 50K and then decided that I wanted a fast road half and worked with them on that.  I had a few weeks of coaching left after that so they also worked with me to help PR a 5K.  All of this to say that they are really good across distance and surface. Between the two of them they have a lot of experience.  Sandi has had a lot of success up to 100 miles on trails.  Sage has a lot of road success in addition to trail.  They were always available via email for questions and built the plans week by week based on how workouts were progressing.  Sandi is Lydiard certified and Sage trained with the Hansons so a lot of the workouts have that type of flavor, but they also have a lot of creative ways to switch things up.  Just thought I would give a thumbs up in case anyone is looking for good trail coaches.

So was this a month-to-month coaching service or just a one time charge for a training plan? I think Sage is awesome but I've never looked into his coaching services because I was sure they were way way out of my price range. There's another trail runner that I admire a lot who does coaching. I emailed asking about cost on a whim thinking MAYBE I could splurge for a month or two. The response was $300 a month. Nope.

October 6, 2016
9:36 pm
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Flavored with broken dreams
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 900
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February 20, 2014

I looked at Sage's page, and it looks like he doesn't currently have any openings for clients :(

October 6, 2016
10:17 pm
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RWD
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 645
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April 18, 2012

Does it seem weird that even though Sandi is the actual certified coach, the company is called Sage Running? I know he's more well-known than she is, but it's still odd to me that there's nothing of her in the name.

October 7, 2016
7:06 am
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littlebear
Hamcat
Meows: 85
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March 13, 2014

busted can of biscuits meowed

So was this a month-to-month coaching service or just a one time charge for a training plan? I think Sage is awesome but I've never looked into his coaching services because I was sure they were way way out of my price range. There's another trail runner that I admire a lot who does coaching. I emailed asking about cost on a whim thinking MAYBE I could splurge for a month or two. The response was $300 a month. Nope.

It was month to month personalized with a 3 month minimum commitment.  I went in just as he was getting started so my price is $150 per month, and he has always honored that.  I'm not sure if he charges more now since he is more established. I've heard good things about the one time plans too, but then you don't get the personalized changes from week to week.

 

As far as the name, I don't think it's weird because he has the name recognition.  Unless you are a hard core Midwest/East Coast ultra runner, you wouldn't know the Nypaver girls and would have no reason to get coaching from them.  It's his name that brings the people in even though she is equal partner in the coaching.  

 

As far as availability, it doesn't hurt to send them an email to get on the wait list.  Spots sometime open up after the fall ultra season finishes plus Sandi's sister, Rachel, just joined the team.

October 12, 2016
12:02 pm
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Foam cartridge sensor pump
Hamcat
Meows: 82
Snarking Since:
August 3, 2016

For what it's worth, I started working with a local running coach about a year ago.  It's pretty much a "you get back what you put in" type thing with him.  I pay for training plans usually and I also am part of his twice weekly strength program.  This also gets me access to his group speed work sessions for free.  I've noticed a huge difference in my running since working with him — at my last marathon, I took about 25 minutes off of my PR and qualified for Boston.  For my marathon in a couple of weeks, I hope to take off another 5-8 minutes.  My all-out mile time has also dropped by about 30 seconds (I have another mile trial in a few weeks and I'm hoping to make it an additional 40 seconds faster than my original trial).  I started working with him because I felt like I had just kind of hit a wall with my running goals, and I felt like to see future improvements, I needed more professional help (I also am looking to become actually competitive in racing so he helps with the mental aspect and planning an entire year long race schedule).

 

So, I think running coaches are a great investment, but here's what I would suggest based upon my personal experiences:

 

1.  Find someone local.  This one is huge for me, and I honestly don't understand paying for an online coach.  The reason I feel like I've improved with my coach is because:

 

Twice a week I'm working with him (and other runners) to build running specific strength — he has us do drills, strength exercises, and general core work.  All of this is targeted to really strengthen the necessary muscles for maintaining proper form.  

 

I'm also able to go to him whenever I'm having pain in a specific area.  He has a masters in anatomy and physiology so he really understands what's going on — I was having shin issues earlier this year — he took a look at the area in pain, pinpointed the cause, gave me a cross training plan, monitored it, and then helped me return back to my training plan a couple weeks later.  

 

Also, one of the biggest things, because he's local, he's able to monitor my running form.  My shin pain was coming from overstriding and having just generally poor form.  He worked with me over this past year and my form has never been better.  It's also great going to speedwork with him because he's able to monitor my form and make sure I'm not slipping back into bad habits.

 

None of these things can be done with an online coach (I don't think), and all of these things are the main reasons why I feel I've improved.  

 

2.  Find someone who is actually qualified.  From what I can tell, it's pretty easy to become a "certified" running coach.  Do some research into local coaches, see if there are any reviews/talk to people who have worked with him/her, and read his/hers background.  As mentioned above, my coach has a masters in anatomy/physiology, he used to coach a D1 track team, and he's constantly reading various scientific journals to stay up-to-date (one time, he was trying to figure out if any of his runners knew French because he was trying speak with someone who had just published a new research study).  

 

Sorry for the super long post — I saw this board and got super excited because 1) I love my coach and 2) I've been confused by the online running coaches that have been popping up (HRG's was the first one to come to mind).

 

*** Also, I just took a look at McKirdy — holy jeepers that's expensive.  My strength training program is 120 for 8 weeks, and that's all I pay for my coach, aside from the training plans, which are 180.00 (but I'm only paying that twice a year or so that's roughly an additional 30.00 a month).  Sorry again for the super long post!

October 12, 2016
12:14 pm
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littlebear
Hamcat
Meows: 85
Snarking Since:
March 13, 2014

Agree that local is best if it works with your schedule, but I know that I didn't have time or the schedule to go to workouts at specific times so that's why the online coach is sometimes a reasonable option.  I would honestly never see a local coach because I'm needing to get my workouts in when I can and don't really have the ability to schedule set sessions.

 

Good online coaches will build form drills, strength, and core work into your weekly plans.  I know that Sage and Sandi make videos that they post in the FB coaching group for us that we are able to use to have those types of things demonstrated for us.  

 

And yes, totally agree that getting someone with experience is really important.  Why the hell anyone would go to someone like Katie (Runs for Cookies) or some of these others is beyond me?

October 12, 2016
12:28 pm
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ham goggles
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1254
Snarking Since:
February 2, 2012

Run run run, thanks for sharing! I appreciate it.

Re: qualifications—I have a few running friends who have recently gotten "certified" and put their shingles out as coaches, when in reality, they're no more qualified than I am. Just because you know a lot about running for yourself doesn't mean you're nearly qualified to teach others.

October 12, 2016
12:57 pm
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SoFancyNot
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 768
Snarking Since:
October 20, 2014

ham goggles meowed
Run run run, thanks for sharing! I appreciate it.

Re: qualifications—I have a few running friends who have recently gotten "certified" and put their shingles out as coaches, when in reality, they're no more qualified than I am. Just because you know a lot about running for yourself doesn't mean you're nearly qualified to teach others.

Haha I came here to post the same exact thing! People get "certified" (i.e. they read a book and take one exam) and they suddenly think they can coach people… When more often than not their own training is very questionable and have only a bunch of years of experience as runners.

As run run run said, if I had to pick a coach, I'd try to go local and, ESPECIALLY, find somebody with previous, legit experience as a coach. It's not a piece of paper that makes you a coach…

October 12, 2016
1:20 pm
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Foam cartridge sensor pump
Hamcat
Meows: 82
Snarking Since:
August 3, 2016

littlebear meowed
Agree that local is best if it works with your schedule, but I know that I didn't have time or the schedule to go to workouts at specific times so that's why the online coach is sometimes a reasonable option.  I would honestly never see a local coach because I'm needing to get my workouts in when I can and don't really have the ability to schedule set sessions.

 

Good online coaches will build form drills, strength, and core work into your weekly plans.  I know that Sage and Sandi make videos that they post in the FB coaching group for us that we are able to use to have those types of things demonstrated for us.  

 

And yes, totally agree that getting someone with experience is really important.  Why the hell anyone would go to someone like Katie (Runs for Cookies) or some of these others is beyond me?

Ah, thanks for the info on online coaches — I don't know anyone who's done them and the only running blogger I used to read that used one was HRG….so not the best example haha.  But, yea, the flexibility with an online coach makes total sense.  I do a lot better with a more rigid schedule so I find the set days for strength and speedwork makes sense. 

October 12, 2016
1:44 pm
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hobbyjogger
Expert Hamcat
Meows: 447
Snarking Since:
February 7, 2013

I love the idea of a local coach and group workouts, but my schedule isn't really conducive to set times right now! I think part of the allure of an online coach is that I can make it fit into my life. BUT, then you are stuck trying to find someone legit who you can trust! 



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