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Pure Speculation Thread
October 19, 2015
9:57 am
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Ye Olde Pussyhustle of Elizabeth Woodville
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Meows: 565
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September 26, 2011

My pure speculation, based on 0 evidence whatsoever, is that she had her IUD removed and is using these vacations as a way to get pregnant so she can quit boot camp because she knows she's in over her head, and won't be able to hack it for 80 hours a week in school, let alone an actual job. If she's pregnant with T3, it won't make any sense for her to look for a job because she'd have to leave to give birth and we all know how hard it is for working moms, amirite? Plus, we all know how she loves to bask in the attention of pregnancy and birth.

October 19, 2015
10:53 am
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On the Autobahn to Bangtown
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December 17, 2012

I could see her having another baby only if it meant that she would not have to care for the child (or either of her other two kids) in any capacity more than taking pictures of them.  Maybe a T3 would finally make a live-in nanny worth the cost.  Then Jenna could spend her days fighting the patriarchy by clapping and twirling.

October 19, 2015
11:42 am
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give_it_up
Expert Hamcat
Meows: 242
Snarking Since:
August 5, 2014

Miss Boondocks Pork & Fork Festival meowed
My pure speculation, based on 0 evidence whatsoever, is that she had her IUD removed and is using these vacations as a way to get pregnant so she can quit boot camp because she knows she's in over her head, and won't be able to hack it for 80 hours a week in school, let alone an actual job. If she's pregnant with T3, it won't make any sense for her to look for a job because she'd have to leave to give birth and we all know how hard it is for working moms, amirite? Plus, we all know how she loves to bask in the attention of pregnancy and birth.

I can see it, and I wouldn't put it past her.

I don't think this desire to become a lady coder came from some personal epiphany/desire – someone was pressuring her in some way about getting a job, and my speculation is she picked coding and bootcamps because she saw it ending one of two ways. The first way is a job with a 90K salary (this is how she sold it to TA or her parents or whoever it is that was pressuring her to start working). The second way is she'd be completely overwhelmed, start pushing TA for more and more support (either from him or he would have to spend money to help her pay for everything). TA would eventually not want to do that, or wouldn't be able to do that, and would tell her it was okay – BETTER for the family, even – for her to give up and go back to "working" from home. So it's not her fault she failed and quit, but his (and the patriarchy).

So, having a baby clearly solves that problem. No one would expect her to go back to work, much less start a new career, with an infant at home (even her parents, who shelled out money for this). Even if she finishes the bootcamp before the baby is born, she can claim afterwards that her skills are obsolete and she's out of practice, and can't look for work as a software developer or whatever she's calling it. Having 3 kids under 6 gives her even more reasons to go on vacations, LNOs, whatever because doesn't she deserve a break??? She had T2 even though she knew she wasn't exactly thrilled with mothering through the early years.

October 19, 2015
11:51 am
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Inane Queefs
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October 13, 2015

1/16 cocktail party meowed
 

It's the same thing huge fundamentalist Christian families do- the older children raise the younger ones while Mom squirts out an unending baby fountain.

 

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October 19, 2015
12:13 pm
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ill-fitting onesie
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Meows: 107
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July 8, 2014

woozily focused meowed

fashun blogger pineapple prop wearing sunglasses meowed
^^ Oh man, I didn't even make the connection that the bare-faced naptime snap was AFTER the birthday party, so there's no way she had her face painted at the kids' party and "just kept it on" to go out that night!! I'm thinking she used one of those costume decal makeup kits that are everywhere right now (bc Halloween) and played it off to her friends like, "Oh teheeheehe I was at a kids' party today and had my face painted and decided to leave it…"

She creeps me the f**k out.  I have to frequently remind myself that she is actually a married adult with 2 young kids.  

I didn't save the pictures, but I did see all the snaps as she posted them.  Unless I'm remembering them wrong, the timeline of the day was Sunrise bikeride, School Fall Fest (kids were "grumpy"), home for a nap, 2 year old's bday party, face paint on T1, then a pic with face paint on all 3 of them at the party, then LNO.  While I'm side-eye the eff out of wearing princess fairy glitter eye makeup "out," I'm pretty sure it was done at the kid's party.  

Yep, that's the order…although it was a video of T2 first with facepaint looking unimpressed with the giant bubbles and a photo of Jenna and T1 showing off both their facepaint.

October 19, 2015
12:14 pm
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Aggressively Stupid Ladycoder
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Meows: 295
Snarking Since:
October 18, 2014

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Ah but you're thinking of this in normal people terms, Autobahn. In Selfish b***h Whacko World, if she got pregnant now T1 would be plenty old enough (6 next April) to change diapers, give night-time bottles, and generally ensure plenty of Sparkling Twirling Me Time. It's the same thing huge fundamentalist Christian families do- the older children raise the younger ones while Mom squirts out an unending baby fountain.

 

I wonder what the data says about # and spacing of children of narcissists versus the norm?

I could totally see That b***h doing this.  Nothing she does makes sense so I can definitely see her popping out another baby and making T1 her maid and nanny.  She needs an excuse to continue to waste space and another baby is the easiest way to get one.  Again, a normal person would see how illogical this was, but we are talking about Jenna.  The same person who thinks working is sitting at the water cooler chatting and taking lunches. The same person who thinks she will go to bootcamp, dick off, and come right out making 90k in January.  You pick the dumbest solution to a problem, and sure enough that's what she does.

 

And Purple21,  I'm dying picturing Jenna waiting in the toddlers line to get her face painted.  Thank you for that image smiley-laughing004

October 19, 2015
12:22 pm
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Get the iodine
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Meows: 150
Snarking Since:
April 2, 2013

Miss Boondocks Pork & Fork Festival meowed
My pure speculation, based on 0 evidence whatsoever, is that she had her IUD removed and is using these vacations as a way to get pregnant so she can quit boot camp because she knows she's in over her head, and won't be able to hack it for 80 hours a week in school, let alone an actual job. If she's pregnant with T3, it won't make any sense for her to look for a job because she'd have to leave to give birth and we all know how hard it is for working moms, amirite? Plus, we all know how she loves to bask in the attention of pregnancy and birth.

Nah. She's still too bitter about what the first two kids did to her body. I still can't figure out if T2 was a surprise or she wanted T1 to have a sibling to play with so they would both leave her alone, or what, but I think they're really, truly done having kids. If Swav is smart, he'll get snipped. 

I can't decide if she's realized coding isn't going to work yet or not. It's obvious to us watching from the outside, but I think she's still thinking "I don't like this, but Phase 1 will be different. Working will be different." Which, yes, it will be different, which is to say harder and more time-consuming. 

October 19, 2015
2:44 pm
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Oh My CAT

My pure speculation re: Jenna as a student:

always behind everybody else and hogging the instructor

asking questions easily found in reading

not contributing to the paired assignment

threatening to write a negative review if they ask her to repeat the class.

 

I don't think she'll get preggo nor that they will get divorced. At ALL. 

October 19, 2015
6:49 pm
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Jennie Bobowicz At Work
Feline Porklord
Meows: 2736
Snarking Since:
February 13, 2013

Vodka Utahnic meowed 

Nah. She's still too bitter about what the first two kids did to her body. I still can't figure out if T2 was a surprise or she wanted T1 to have a sibling to play with so they would both leave her alone, or what, but I think they're really, truly done having kids. If Swav is smart, he'll get snipped. 

IDK, I know a somewhat Jenna-like person…to be fair, this person works and likes her kids…but like Jenna she often resents and complains about the kids taking up her time, is big on the LNOs and couple Facetime, and is mercurial with the kids and throws tantrums when she doesn't get her way. Despite feeling that way after the first kid, she's had more kids and wants to continue doing so because she enjoys the attention and special consideration during pregnancy and when the little baby is still pretty much stuck to her…not so much as the kid becomes its own person.

 

Another pregnancy would potentially allow Jenna to feel all smug again and to have an acceptable excuse for putting things on hold, so I can see it happening.

October 20, 2015
10:08 pm
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836185
Feline Porklord
Meows: 1814
Snarking Since:
July 13, 2012

I don't think she'll ever get pregnant again. Can't believe she hasn't had her tubes tied.

Anyway, I was mining her Instagram for a pic that apparently I just dreamed up, and instead I found this one right before she had T2: https://instagram.com/p/VNZNBRrqlp/?taken-by=thatwife (it's just a pic of a Joseph Smith book).

So one week she's into Joseph Smith books, and the next, she's pushing her daughter out and knowing she can't ever do to T2 what Mormonism did to Jenna?

Not really snarking on the lack of consistency because I think when you're looking back on something like leaving a religion, timeline stuff is often muddled. However, I've always thought that Jenna left Mormonism when she realized she'd always be a failure within that structure. She thought she was going to be the best mom ever, recipient of adoration from all, but T1 taught her that wouldn't be so. Maybe she suspected something was wrong with T1 (like PPD, say), and thought T2 would go better. Then she has T2 and realizes nope, it's just her. So amidst all of her outsourcing/in-home nanny or whatever other help she hired after T2 was born, she began to look elsewhere for validation–things that could validate her apart from being mother since she'd always be one big epic fail in that regard. And so, feminist Jenna was born. 

Actually, I can't really blame her there. But I wouldn't go on to embrace my failure and work as hard as I can to forget the fact that I was a mother at all #wherearethechildren2015

October 21, 2015
8:40 am
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give_it_up
Expert Hamcat
Meows: 242
Snarking Since:
August 5, 2014

zhnjg meowed
I don't think she'll ever get pregnant again. Can't believe she hasn't had her tubes tied.

Anyway, I was mining her Instagram for a pic that apparently I just dreamed up, and instead I found this one right before she had T2: https://instagram.com/p/VNZNBRrqlp/?taken-by=thatwife (it's just a pic of a Joseph Smith book).

So one week she's into Joseph Smith books, and the next, she's pushing her daughter out and knowing she can't ever do to T2 what Mormonism did to Jenna?

Not really snarking on the lack of consistency because I think when you're looking back on something like leaving a religion, timeline stuff is often muddled. However, I've always thought that Jenna left Mormonism when she realized she'd always be a failure within that structure. She thought she was going to be the best mom ever, recipient of adoration from all, but T1 taught her that wouldn't be so. Maybe she suspected something was wrong with T1 (like PPD, say), and thought T2 would go better. Then she has T2 and realizes nope, it's just her. So amidst all of her outsourcing/in-home nanny or whatever other help she hired after T2 was born, she began to look elsewhere for validation–things that could validate her apart from being mother since she'd always be one big epic fail in that regard. And so, feminist Jenna was born. 

Actually, I can't really blame her there. But I wouldn't go on to embrace my failure and work as hard as I can to forget the fact that I was a mother at all #wherearethechildren2015

Since this IS the speculation thread, I know other hams have mentioned that the T Family left the church after something happened with the children – either someone in the ward reported them to someone (probably just an authority in the church), and it was brought up to TW and TA that they weren't doing right by the kids. I've always privately agreed with this, because it explains why they both left the church and so quickly. I know people have also speculated that TA was in the church for the wrong reasons to begin with, but once he was in what could make him leave? I could be totally wrong, of course, and your explanation makes a lot of sense, too.

I think people are underestimating (overestimating?) Jenna when they say she'll never get pregnant again.

October 21, 2015
10:07 am
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On the Autobahn to Bangtown
Senior Hamcat
Meows: 697
Snarking Since:
December 17, 2012

I’ve always believed that Jenna and TH were taken to task by someone at the church about their parenting fails.  I also suspect that this was around the same time when TH was planning to leave Bain.  My guess is that the two events happening at once sort of pushed them out – being a Mormon was no longer especially lucrative for TH in the workplace, and the church was calling them out on their questionable parenting, so Jenna and TH asked themselves why they needed the church anymore at all.  So they left. 

I think TH was the one who led the charge out of the church simply because Jenna isn’t big on original thought.

October 21, 2015
11:56 am
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not quite de-lurked
Kitten
Meows: 6
Snarking Since:
June 4, 2014

zhnjg meowed

I don't think she'll ever get pregnant again. Can't believe she hasn't had her tubes tied.

Anyway, I was mining her Instagram for a pic that apparently I just dreamed up, and instead I found this one right before she had T2: https://instagram.com/p/VNZNBRrqlp/?taken-by=thatwife (it's just a pic of a Joseph Smith book).

So one week she's into Joseph Smith books, and the next, she's pushing her daughter out and knowing she can't ever do to T2 what Mormonism did to Jenna?

Not really snarking on the lack of consistency because I think when you're looking back on something like leaving a religion, timeline stuff is often muddled. However, I've always thought that Jenna left Mormonism when she realized she'd always be a failure within that structure. She thought she was going to be the best mom ever, recipient of adoration from all, but T1 taught her that wouldn't be so. Maybe she suspected something was wrong with T1 (like PPD, say), and thought T2 would go better.

Eh… That book is relatively well known in the fringey Mormon community to be one that can make people really upset about church history if they've never read/heard any of the weird and creepy history details before. Some people act like it's super controversial. It wouldn't surprise me if that's how Jenna took it.

I could easily see being called out on parenting and TH thinking "hey I'm not at a place where Mormonism is an advantage anymore, so why are we still here?" I think Jenna would have had a harder time leaving because she grew up in it, but being called out gave her a reason to be defensive and leave.



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