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Wedding Photographers love/hate
April 17, 2014
12:14 am
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This is your thigh gap speaking
Hamcat
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February 12, 2013

There has been other threads similar to this, but as most wedding photographers are bloggers too, I thought I start one here.

 

I personally am so tired of Tim Coulson pimping his family on instagram. We get it buddy, you have no life. 

April 19, 2014
5:39 pm
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Sister Monica Joan
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May 10, 2013

Ooh! As a person who photographs wedding (not going to limit myself by saying I am a wedding photographer) and works for a company that does I am eager to hear feedback on certain photographers. 

 

I think Tim is a good photographer and I liked the little Q&A he did on IG recently. I don't like everything he does but I'll say that he seems to be pretty genuine and doesn't only post about the good stuff. 

 

One wedding photographer I have beef with is Michelle Gardella. She's been brought up multiple times on GOMI. I just really don't like her whimsical writing style and her photos are okay. She edits her black and white photos strangely though. 

April 19, 2014
6:31 pm
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Croosets in Trendy Colors
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August 29, 2013

I dunno if this belongs here but I realized I hate most photographer websites. No listed pricing or some idea of price ranges to expect, shit tons of flash, auto-play, music… when I was looking for photographers I just wanted a nice, clean site with a clickable, simple gallery of their portfolio, a page with information about them, a page with references/reviews, and a page with a simple contact sheet for more information.. not autoplay, no flash, no stupid slideshows, no god damned music and all sorts of other "artsy" over processed shit. But it seemed like every single website had that. So annoying.

Formerly known as Lean In Right Over a Cliff
April 19, 2014
9:38 pm
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Sister Monica Joan
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May 10, 2013

Lean In Right Over a Cliff said

I dunno if this belongs here but I realized I hate most photographer websites. No listed pricing or some idea of price ranges to expect, shit tons of flash, auto-play, music… when I was looking for photographers I just wanted a nice, clean site with a clickable, simple gallery of their portfolio, a page with information about them, a page with references/reviews, and a page with a simple contact sheet for more information.. not autoplay, no flash, no stupid slideshows, no god damned music and all sorts of other "artsy" over processed shit. But it seemed like every single website had that. So annoying.

Well I intentionally don't list my prices but I'm happy to say I don't have any of those awful gimmicks on my site!

April 19, 2014
9:58 pm
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Croosets in Trendy Colors
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August 29, 2013

heyhihello said

Lean In Right Over a Cliff said

I dunno if this belongs here but I realized I hate most photographer websites. No listed pricing or some idea of price ranges to expect, shit tons of flash, auto-play, music… when I was looking for photographers I just wanted a nice, clean site with a clickable, simple gallery of their portfolio, a page with information about them, a page with references/reviews, and a page with a simple contact sheet for more information.. not autoplay, no flash, no stupid slideshows, no god damned music and all sorts of other "artsy" over processed shit. But it seemed like every single website had that. So annoying.

Well I intentionally don't list my prices but I'm happy to say I don't have any of those awful gimmicks on my site!

I at least wanted to see a "starting at" price with the disclaimer that that's not a price guarantee. When I did wedding cakes I did something similar so people looking for a $100 cake would know to keep looking. After emailng 20+ photographers, it became infuriating when the majority would respond and list that they started working at some amount that was way out of my budget. I did not understand why that couldn't be put on a web page so I could save us both time when it came to contacting photographers out of my budget. That being said I would take no prices but an otherwise great website than vice versa.. crappy flash filled websites are the worst!

Formerly known as Lean In Right Over a Cliff
April 20, 2014
12:49 am
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probably not
Expert Hamcat
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March 5, 2014

heyhihello said

Lean In Right Over a Cliff said

I dunno if this belongs here but I realized I hate most photographer websites. No listed pricing or some idea of price ranges to expect, shit tons of flash, auto-play, music… when I was looking for photographers I just wanted a nice, clean site with a clickable, simple gallery of their portfolio, a page with information about them, a page with references/reviews, and a page with a simple contact sheet for more information.. not autoplay, no flash, no stupid slideshows, no god damned music and all sorts of other "artsy" over processed shit. But it seemed like every single website had that. So annoying.

Well I intentionally don't list my prices but I'm happy to say I don't have any of those awful gimmicks on my site!

Can I ask why?

I didn't bother contacting anyone without a starting range because I assumed they'd be too expensive. Especially if they had a nice website.

April 20, 2014
7:51 am
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otterpop
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December 9, 2013

Yeah, I can understand not listing detailed pricing, but all of the wedding photographers we considered had a range disclosed, generally something like "Packages start at $X, and our couples spend an average of $Y." 

If someone didn't put at least that basic version of a price on their website, I didn't bother to contact them. Why? Because I scouted wedding photographers for a friend's wedding, and in that case, I did contact some of those photographers without prices, at her request. Without fail, those photographers wanted a one-hour meeting with the bride and groom, during their work hours, to show off their portfolio and discuss the wedding before they would give prices. My friend was unable to take off during the work week for these kinds of meetings. When I relayed that to the photographers, more than one said that they couldn't just disclose their prices to people because we could be photographers in disguise trying to feel out their price model (? do people really do that?)

So, for my own wedding, I skipped those people altogether and found a perfectly lovely photographer who discloses her package prices and a la carte prices immediately and did a beautiful job on our wedding.

April 20, 2014
10:56 pm
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Sister Monica Joan
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May 10, 2013

probably not said

heyhihello said

Lean In Right Over a Cliff said

I dunno if this belongs here but I realized I hate most photographer websites. No listed pricing or some idea of price ranges to expect, shit tons of flash, auto-play, music… when I was looking for photographers I just wanted a nice, clean site with a clickable, simple gallery of their portfolio, a page with information about them, a page with references/reviews, and a page with a simple contact sheet for more information.. not autoplay, no flash, no stupid slideshows, no god damned music and all sorts of other "artsy" over processed shit. But it seemed like every single website had that. So annoying.

Well I intentionally don't list my prices but I'm happy to say I don't have any of those awful gimmicks on my site!

Can I ask why?

I didn't bother contacting anyone without a starting range because I assumed they'd be too expensive. Especially if they had a nice website.

I don't want to deter anyone because of price. I considered adding a starting price but decided to leave it at, "Please email me for pricing", right now. I have a contact form on my website so it's a pretty simple process. I'm still working a nine to five currently so I'm fine with doing weddings for a smaller price since money is not my main motivation at this time. I appreciate everyone's responses though. It sounds like it may be more beneficial to say something like , "Wedding coverage starts at x but I also offer custom packages", something to that effect. chin thanks hamcats!

April 20, 2014
11:03 pm
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Sister Monica Joan
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May 10, 2013

otterpop said

Yeah, I can understand not listing detailed pricing, but all of the wedding photographers we considered had a range disclosed, generally something like "Packages start at $X, and our couples spend an average of $Y." 

If someone didn't put at least that basic version of a price on their website, I didn't bother to contact them. Why? Because I scouted wedding photographers for a friend's wedding, and in that case, I did contact some of those photographers without prices, at her request. Without fail, those photographers wanted a one-hour meeting with the bride and groom, during their work hours, to show off their portfolio and discuss the wedding before they would give prices. My friend was unable to take off during the work week for these kinds of meetings. When I relayed that to the photographers, more than one said that they couldn't just disclose their prices to people because we could be photographers in disguise trying to feel out their price model (? do people really do that?)

So, for my own wedding, I skipped those people altogether and found a perfectly lovely photographer who discloses her package prices and a la carte prices immediately and did a beautiful job on our wedding.

A one hour meeting sounds awful! I understand doing that after booking your photographer but that's kinda crazy to expect up front before any kind of commitment has been made. I've worked with several photographers and a large wedding photo company and I've never heard of price disclosure being so secretive either.

April 21, 2014
2:13 pm
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breakfast pit of despair
Hamcat
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February 5, 2014

When I was planning my wedding (5 years ago) I would skip websites that didn't offer some sort of pricing information – I wasn't going to waste my time calling people who might not be in my price range. 

 

In the end we got INCREDIBLY lucky – I found an absolutely amazing photographer who was just starting her professional business out – got her +1 for the entire day, she edited and processed something like 100 of the pictures, and we got all the pictures on a disc with a release.  We also got an engagement session from her included w/ all the pictures/release blah blah blah.  Because she was starting out we got her for $300 – I still refer people to her but now her price is $3000.  It's always my #1 tip for brides-to-be that I know, find people who are starting out (but have a great portfolio) – the price will often reflect the starting-out-ness of all of it.  

April 21, 2014
4:08 pm
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pegatha
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November 7, 2012

heyhihello said 

I don't want to deter anyone because of price. I considered adding a starting price but decided to leave it at, "Please email me for pricing", right now. I have a contact form on my website so it's a pretty simple process. I'm still working a nine to five currently so I'm fine with doing weddings for a smaller price since money is not my main motivation at this time. I appreciate everyone's responses though. It sounds like it may be more beneficial to say something like , "Wedding coverage starts at x but I also offer custom packages", something to that effect. chin thanks hamcats!

Yeah, I'd highly recommend putting something like "typical wedding package (includes xx hours of coverage, engagement photo, second shooter) starts at xxx, but I also offer custom packages based on your needs." 

I also skipped contacting any photographers without at least a price range/starting price online – and also skipped any photographers with a starting price way above my budget – but as long as it was roughly in the neighborhood of my price range, it was ok. The photographer we're going with actually did list a starting price about $500 above what we wanted to pay (and we knew our budget is super low for our area), but it was near enough our budget so I contacted her, and because it's on a Sunday and we don't want the getting ready pics and will have shorter hours than standard, she was able to work with us and offer a price that fit our budget. But the vast majority of photographers that did list a price were literally at least $1,000 above our budget, many were $2,000+ above our budget for their "starting price". I don't need to be an expert at photography to know that trying to negotiate that down to where we were comfortable paying was going to be a waste my time and the photographer's time.

Putting some detail of what your standard package includes is also helpful – then I can tell that, for example, well, I'd be ok without an engagement shoot or a second shooter, so since they're only xxx above my budget, I can probably negotiate for a package that includes less. Whereas if you list a starting price but I don't know that it already includes things I don't want/need, it's harder to evaluate whether that too-high starting price includes such extras or is already truly your rock bottom, no frills added price.

April 21, 2014
8:16 pm
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sunyourbuns
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Meows: 524
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December 2, 2012

Add me to the list of people who didn't bother with photographers who didn't list a price range.  I just assume that anyone who doesn't list the price is out of my price range, and move on to the ones who list their prices & are in/right above my price range.

April 21, 2014
11:21 pm
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dont quit your day job
Cat
Meows: 26
Snarking Since:
March 19, 2014

breakfast pit of despair said
When I was planning my wedding (5 years ago) I would skip websites that didn't offer some sort of pricing information – I wasn't going to waste my time calling people who might not be in my price range. 

 

In the end we got INCREDIBLY lucky – I found an absolutely amazing photographer who was just starting her professional business out – got her +1 for the entire day, she edited and processed something like 100 of the pictures, and we got all the pictures on a disc with a release.  We also got an engagement session from her included w/ all the pictures/release blah blah blah.  Because she was starting out we got her for $300 – I still refer people to her but now her price is $3000.  It's always my #1 tip for brides-to-be that I know, find people who are starting out (but have a great portfolio) – the price will often reflect the starting-out-ness of all of it.  

THIS. as a "just getting started" wedding photographer, I love hearing stories like this. thank you for taking a risk on us newbies high-five



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