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December 13, 2015
5:27 pm
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I do think it's funny how PP says "it's OK to be middle aged," and then immediately turns around and mocks her for being "old enough to be in AARP." lol what? don't get me wrong, Jane is total scum, but that is some bullshit. She's a horrible person mockable in numerous ways that have nothing to do with how old she is.

December 13, 2015
6:12 pm
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I do think it's funny how PP says "it's OK to be middle aged," and then immediately turns around and mocks her for being "old enough to be in AARP." lol what? don't get me wrong, Jane is total scum, but that is some bullshit. She's a horrible person mockable in numerous ways that have nothing to do with how old she is.

I hate, hate, HATE the age references that get thrown around here and the way people age the writers into another decade. ("Isn't Marci in her forties??" No. No she's not.) HOWEVER….Jane CLEARLY shows signs of being prejudicial when it comes to women over, say, 30. I won't go so far as to say it's okay for anybody to mock her because of her age, because it's not, but I'm certainly not going to clutch my pearls at references made about Jane's age when she clearly harbors issues towards aging and women of a certain age.

Like, do you really think Mandy was let go because of the sale? Mandy is a lot of things, but she was the only person on that staff who did her job. You never heard anybody say, "Well, I emailed Mandy and she never replied." You never heard anybody pick out typos or grammatical errors in Mandy's posts. And while she may have sourced some questionable people like Madame Pantsuit, she still managed to source people to write for that site that people found engaging or interesting or at least hateable enough to come back every week and read her crap.  Emily? Marianne? Lesley? Not so much. And yet Mandy was let go and Emily was kept on board.

Last week the EIC from the Frisky announced she was resigning. She worked there for 8 years. She says her resignation had nothing to do with the whole James Deen thing, which may or may not be true, but she's approaching 40. While her resignation may have been her decision, it's pretty clear Spin media didn't exactly beg her to stay, either. Women age out of relevancy in this niche and get the boot one way or another. You don't see that in men's online media.

December 13, 2015
7:52 pm
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pingity1
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Did GOMI eat my post? I don't know if throwing around comments about age is always malicious in that way.

In defense of PP, Jane literally looks old enough to be in AARP to me. That she is just barely older than my mother is actually jaw-flooring every time I look it up–and I keep looking it up, because I find it that hard to stuff into my brain because it seems THAT incorrect to say she is 53 to me.

I think I made the comment about Marci in her forties? I literally perceive Marci as like 42 or 45 or something. That doesn't mean I'm right, but I still have no idea how old she is. I always thought Marci was older than Mandy, and Mandy was older than Emily all three around 40 ish. I asked that because I thought she was. ((FTR, I'm not in nearly as much disbelief that she's 30-something as I always am that Jane is in her early 50s. 40 something and 30 something aren't that different in my head.))

Edit: I have to admit, I kinda wonder if it's my own "I think white ladies look old" thing, but my former boss was definitely also 50 (I went to her 50th birthday) and Jane looks like her mom with blonde hair.

December 13, 2015
8:12 pm
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Albie Quirky
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I'm 51 and my husband's 53, and we both think Jane looks ridiculous in that photo.

Also, AARP starts sending you stuff on your 50th birthday. I don't know if you can actually join then, because I've been recycling whatever I get from then, but Jane's been getting it too.chicken

December 13, 2015
8:54 pm
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Did GOMI eat my post? I don't know if throwing around comments about age is always malicious in that way.

In defense of PP, Jane literally looks old enough to be in AARP to me. That she is just barely older than my mother is actually jaw-flooring every time I look it up–and I keep looking it up, because I find it that hard to stuff into my brain because it seems THAT incorrect to say she is 53 to me.

I think I made the comment about Marci in her forties? I literally perceive Marci as like 42 or 45 or something. That doesn't mean I'm right, but I still have no idea how old she is. I always thought Marci was older than Mandy, and Mandy was older than Emily all three around 40 ish. I asked that because I thought she was. ((FTR, I'm not in nearly as much disbelief that she's 30-something as I always am that Jane is in her early 50s. 40 something and 30 something aren't that different in my head.))

Edit: I have to admit, I kinda wonder if it's my own "I think white ladies look old" thing, but my former boss was definitely also 50 (I went to her 50th birthday) and Jane looks like her mom with blonde hair.

I could be wrong myself, but I think Mandy is the oldest, then Emily, then Marci. But I have no actual idea.

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Benedick Cunterbitch
December 13, 2015
8:58 pm
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It goes Mandy, Marci, Emily. Mandy is 40. Marci is 37 or 38. Emily is 32 or 33.

December 13, 2015
9:32 pm
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pingity1
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@Albie Quirky: I looked it up. It's for people aged 50+, so PP was right. Jane is definitely old enough to be in AARP.

http://assets.aarp.org/www.aarp.org_/promotions/sem/member01.html

I have no idea why I was convinced Marci was older. She doesn't LOOK like she's definitely older than Mandy (All 3 of them look the same-ish age to me?). But I was SURE I had heard or read specifically that she was older than Mandy in an article or something somewhere, even though I couldn't remember where or when because it never happened.

With Emily, I also keep looking up her age and saying I'm going to try and remember, but then being like 'huh?'. I keep thinking she's older because she has so much story. I know there was speculation (and then she posted her license, or something) and I'm totally not saying that she isn't in her early 30s, but that's probably why I keep aging her up so much. She's not my favorite, but if I say like, "I can't believe she's 35 and has been going to therapy for so-and-so decades and still can't do X/Y/Z" like a grown up, it's because I'm not that preoccupied with checking her exact age. I just mean she's well into her adult years.

Maybe I should say literally that, but yeah, I don't think anyone's going, "let me check her age and add a few more out of spite, MUAHAHAHA." Or maybe someone is, but I'm sure not most of us. Wrong guesses are wrong guesses sometimes.

December 13, 2015
9:46 pm
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SportsBloopers
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December 13, 2015

This might not be here nor there, but one of the (many) reasons i've given up on xoJane is because of, for lack of a better term, age-phobia of all the writers (ie Mandy spending more than 2k a year to evade being a 40 year old woman).  The lack of general grown-uppedness (for even more of a lack of a better word) is disheartening.  Like, i'm not even 30 yet but i feel like i'm over the hill.  There have been a few mature voices on the site, here and there, but i actually would like to read more from a site that caters to women that don't mind acting their age.

December 13, 2015
10:07 pm
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pingity1
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Sportsbloopers, I'm actually 23, and I already feel like I can't relate. I've been transitioning into a career, and all they talk about is like… fancy hand creams, severe mental illness, nontraditional relationships and crying about breakups (or alternately I HAVE A BOYFRANNNN, b***hEZZZZ).

I have no idea who xo is FOR anymore.

Marci getting botox is probably part of the reason I thought she was early to mid 40s rather than mid to late 30s. Mandy and Marci have both had it, I think. And it's like… it can't be THAT common. And to me, it doesn't seem like something many 30-somethings experiment with. But I guess I don't really know. xoJane-land isn't anything like the real world, and I think that's the attraction for about ten seconds. But then you're just like… these people are all at least ten years older than me and this is what they're writing about? They're neither good peers, nor good mentors.

So who's the audience?

December 13, 2015
10:21 pm
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SportsBloopers
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December 13, 2015

@pingity1 i think Jane made it clear that she wants to write for teenagers.  It was on xo, somewhere (Jane Tracker?  i can't remember exactly) – but it was her daughter's birthday.  And Jane said something to the effect of "[daughter] is now my favorite thing, a teenager!"  Umm…huh?  Teenage girls are your favorite thing?  f**k, you couldn't pay me to be a teenager again.  It adds to the evidence that she has no interest in associating with adults.

 

and what's more, re: who's the audience, if she wants to write for young women, please, pretty please for the love of christ, have good, responsible information about reproductive and sexual health. 

December 13, 2015
11:51 pm
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December 6, 2013

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@pingity1 i think Jane made it clear that she wants to write for teenagers.  It was on xo, somewhere (Jane Tracker?  i can't remember exactly) – but it was her daughter's birthday.  And Jane said something to the effect of "[daughter] is now my favorite thing, a teenager!"  Umm…huh?  Teenage girls are your favorite thing?  f**k, you couldn't pay me to be a teenager again.  It adds to the evidence that she has no interest in associating with adults.

 

and what's more, re: who's the audience, if she wants to write for young women, please, pretty please for the love of christ, have good, responsible information about reproductive and sexual health. 

Everytime someone on here mentions Jane's age I always interpret it as FFS, act your f**king age because you are in your 50s and being all tee hee I can't parent etc is not funny. For example the constant I am a bad mother narrative. It is not hilarious to run multiple businesses into the ground. Any good will attached to Jane's name that did exist is well and truly gone, not to mention everyone knows she didn't actually bloody create Sassy, she stole the concept from Dolly magazine. She encourages co-dependency in her staff and only seems to hire women that are damaged in some way. She has cultivated further dysfunction in the office and pitted those women against each other. 

I also find the Dan stuff really interesting because from what I have read here, he is actually very new to Time as well. I don't know how it works in USA land but it would be very rare for a company here to take over another company and have a new hire come in and trim the fat. 

Also, I am going to make a comment on Emily. I think being let go is the best thing that could have happened to her. She had stagnated personally and professionally there and maybe she was still there because she had to do a handover. I was made redundant in April but I was asked to stay on until the end of August to do a handover and to finish up things I was working on. My job and pay did not change and I kept accruing annual and long service leave. I knew it was coming because we were not bringing in as much income and I was the most expensive person in the team, excluding one other woman on Mat Leave. Being made redundant was awesome for me and I think that it will be awesome for Emily too. 

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December 15, 2015
11:50 am
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July 24, 2014

Apparently the book club has been recycled into an Open Thread type column. So much easier than actually take the time to read a book and write a review of it!

December 15, 2015
12:02 pm
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xoVal
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Apparently the book club has been recycled into an Open Thread type column. So much easier than actually take the time to read a book and write a review of it!

I will never understand why the book club thing cannot seem to really take off. It just seems so SIMPLE to me. Pick a book. Read it. Tell the hive to read it and write an article with questions/thoughts about the book. Give people a week or so to read the book and then write another article where they can discuss it, but in that article you also post the NEXT book and write out questions/thoughts people can think about when they read said book and you do the next article and so on into the sunset.

 

I really hope I'm making sense here. 

Fuck that idea like the fucking Captain of the Thai Fuck Team fucking at the fucking Tour de Fuck


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