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That Wife Learns to Code
October 13, 2015
9:09 pm
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Ambitious is my middle name
Hamcat
Meows: 163
Snarking Since:
June 17, 2015

I thought maybe a separate thread would be useful for her coding accomplishments? Or maybe that would be a stupid time?

This is the lastest from week 9, Review.js.  Looks like their BIL is staying with them….could that house have something to do with BIL?

//Reflection
// – What concepts did you solidify in working on this challenge?
// – I styled the page using CSS, formatted the page using HTML, wrote the functions using Javascript, and integrated JQuery as well. I’m so proud of my work today!
// – What was the most difficult part of this challenge?
// – Everything that involved figuring out how to make actions happen on click. Swapping out the images for a win/loss took me awhile because I was having trouble with scope.
// – Did you solve the problem in a new way this time?
// – My genius BIL is staying with us and he is fabulous tech support. I wish I had that all the time.
// – Was your pseudocode different from the Ruby version?
// – I didn’t pay much attention. I knew I wanted to use the “die challenge” loosely and make a game around that concept.

October 13, 2015
9:45 pm
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smiley-signs064 

This is actually why Jenna and T1's speech delays were on my mind in the other thread–because the way she approached that is pretty much the same way she's approaching ladycoding. Watching her fascinating thought process all over github just reminded me of how hard up she is for a work ethic and an intelligent thought in her head.

Jenna with T1: clap for his success, discipline his poor behavior when he "gets it wrong." Learning is not part of the equation.

Jenna with ladycoding: congratulate her own tiniest successes, Google/source the shit out of everything else (set time limit; finally abandon). Learning is not part of the equation.

October 13, 2015
9:48 pm
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color challenged panda in the dark
Hamcat
Meows: 193
Snarking Since:
May 23, 2015

Not Refactoring meowed
 

// – Did you solve the problem in a new way this time?
// – My genius BIL is staying with us and he is fabulous tech support. I wish I had that all the time.
// – Was your pseudocode different from the Ruby version?
// – I didn’t pay much attention. I knew I wanted to use the “die challenge” loosely and make a game around that concept.

Because there's nothing so professional as having a family member to help with your work. rolleyes
I'd be looking for new depth of understanding and not new methods to get someone else to do my work.

Then…. "was your psuedocode different from the Ruby version?" What an opportunity to think through deep differences. How professional to respond "I didn't pay much attention." 

 

On Ada Lovelace Day, it annoys me no end that a slacker like her thinks she's a ground-breaking female professional coder when she's doing high school level work.

October 13, 2015
10:04 pm
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Ambitious is my middle name
Hamcat
Meows: 163
Snarking Since:
June 17, 2015

The die game she created for the assignment above:  http://jnicholea.github.io/projects/jsdiegame.html

 

Her Java Script Cheat sheet:

http://jnicholea.github.io/projects/cheat-sheets/js-cheat-sheet.html

 

And let's not forget her blog she created from scratch:

http://jnicholea.github.io/blog/

October 13, 2015
10:09 pm
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harpie

I wish they would kick her out for being a flippant ass but I'm sure they won't because they want to keep the tuition money.  She seems to be enrolled at a bootcamp that's like…the University of Phoenix of the coding world.  Oh well, here's hoping her refusal to work and refactor and whatever else she's supposed to be doing will haunt her when she gets that first job and immediately gets canned for not knowing WTF she's doing.

October 13, 2015
10:24 pm
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color challenged panda in the dark
Hamcat
Meows: 193
Snarking Since:
May 23, 2015

harpie meowed
I wish they would kick her out for being a flippant ass but I'm sure they won't because they want to keep the tuition money.  She seems to be enrolled at a bootcamp that's like…the University of Phoenix of the coding world.  Oh well, here's hoping her refusal to work and refactor and whatever else she's supposed to be doing will haunt her when she gets that first job and immediately gets canned for not knowing WTF she's doing.

To be fair, the University of Phoenix is actually accredited. It may not be the most demanding place (few open enrollment places are), but it has a ton more credibility (even with the "notice" issues that were recently cleared) than a pay-to-play "bootcamp." She scraped bottom.

 

There's enough of an artificial bubble that I suspect she'll ride her bra-bearing persona to a job though. And then we'll be treated to endless bleats about women being mistreated. Pass the popcorn.

October 13, 2015
10:26 pm
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Twizzle
Count de Meowmy
Meows: 522
Snarking Since:
May 12, 2013

As delightful as snarking on her ladycoding is all around, I'd like to make a point here since many of you keep bringing up her googling: there is nothing wrong with googling things when you're learning, well, anything, really (five minutes ago, I googled how to unclog a Dyson, saved myself a hundred bucks). It's an excellent way to learn. It actually drives me nuts when people come to me with a question they haven't bothered googling, even though the answer's right there, because "well I just figured I'd ask you [for the 2934729374th time]". I'm not a professional ladycoder, but I have a solid background in front-end dev and I've taken classes on Ruby/Rails and Python for data science – I googled the shit out of everything I didn't understand, and it was very helpful to see how other people had solved similar problems, especially since on sites like Stackoverflow, commenters usually explain how they arrived at a solution, or why one thing works but another doesn't. That part she's doing right. Everything else is a hot mess, though.

October 13, 2015
10:37 pm
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Monroe House for Jesus & Photography
Feline Porklord
Meows: 2954
Snarking Since:
August 14, 2012

"I didn't pay much attention" lol

Why does she say these things? Does she think it's funny? Cute? She sounds so so so so clueless all the time! Both intellectually, and professionally.

October 13, 2015
11:53 pm
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Ambitious is my middle name
Hamcat
Meows: 163
Snarking Since:
June 17, 2015

Twizzle meowed
As delightful as snarking on her ladycoding is all around, I'd like to make a point here since many of you keep bringing up her googling: there is nothing wrong with googling things when you're learning, well, anything, really (five minutes ago, I googled how to unclog a Dyson, saved myself a hundred bucks). It's an excellent way to learn. It actually drives me nuts when people come to me with a question they haven't bothered googling, even though the answer's right there, because "well I just figured I'd ask you [for the 2934729374th time]". I'm not a professional ladycoder, but I have a solid background in front-end dev and I've taken classes on Ruby/Rails and Python for data science – I googled the shit out of everything I didn't understand, and it was very helpful to see how other people had solved similar problems, especially since on sites like Stackoverflow, commenters usually explain how they arrived at a solution, or why one thing works but another doesn't. That part she's doing right. Everything else is a hot mess, though.

I google daily at work as well.  I think the problem is though her lack of professional responses.  There are so many better ways to say "I googled".  But she also needs to develop a strong foundation.  I think she takes what she googles and slaps it down but then doesn't spend the time trying to understand it at a deeper level.  

October 14, 2015
12:20 am
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Ladycoder Tantrums

Twizzle meowed
As delightful as snarking on her ladycoding is all around, I'd like to make a point here since many of you keep bringing up her googling: there is nothing wrong with googling things when you're learning, well, anything, really (five minutes ago, I googled how to unclog a Dyson, saved myself a hundred bucks). It's an excellent way to learn. It actually drives me nuts when people come to me with a question they haven't bothered googling, even though the answer's right there, because "well I just figured I'd ask you [for the 2934729374th time]". I'm not a professional ladycoder, but I have a solid background in front-end dev and I've taken classes on Ruby/Rails and Python for data science – I googled the shit out of everything I didn't understand, and it was very helpful to see how other people had solved similar problems, especially since on sites like Stackoverflow, commenters usually explain how they arrived at a solution, or why one thing works but another doesn't. That part she's doing right. Everything else is a hot mess, though.

Google is the bomb, but I'm pretty sure you didn't google "how to unclog a Dyson" while simultaneously taking a CLASS on "how to unclog a Dyson", that's why it's so ridiculous. She should be learning these things in her classes, and asking questions of her teachers and peers, which makes me agree with the 99% of hams that think she's just dicking around and wasting her time while trying to pull one over on TA.

October 14, 2015
2:09 am
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It's not the fact that she's Googling an answer. It's that she's using a short cut. She's not actually sitting down and saying this question is assigning me task A so that I develop skill B, and then focusing on learning skill B regardless of how much time it takes to complete task A. You can tell from her answers. "I don't know"; "I didn't pay much attention"; "this already took 3 hours."

I don't know anything about code but even I can tell this concept of refactoring completely escapes her. If factoring is about reworking your code to arrive at the same function, no wonder. That sort of activity requires a conceptual understanding, not a "if I write this magic word here, this happens" understanding. It never dawns on her that if she ever actually refactored something, she'd improve her understanding of the original code at the same time. 

October 14, 2015
2:20 am
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Twizzle meowed
As delightful as snarking on her ladycoding is all around, I'd like to make a point here since many of you keep bringing up her googling: there is nothing wrong with googling things when you're learning, well, anything, really (five minutes ago, I googled how to unclog a Dyson, saved myself a hundred bucks). It's an excellent way to learn. It actually drives me nuts when people come to me with a question they haven't bothered googling, even though the answer's right there, because "well I just figured I'd ask you [for the 2934729374th time]". I'm not a professional ladycoder, but I have a solid background in front-end dev and I've taken classes on Ruby/Rails and Python for data science – I googled the shit out of everything I didn't understand, and it was very helpful to see how other people had solved similar problems, especially since on sites like Stackoverflow, commenters usually explain how they arrived at a solution, or why one thing works but another doesn't. That part she's doing right. Everything else is a hot mess, though.

Depends where you are in your own learning process. I took some quantitative reasoning (logic) in college, for sick fun. You could sit there and Google any number of rules of logic or read other people's proofs and find it interesting. But you aren't going to be able to write your own proof unless you sit your ass down and spend the time working your way through it. The cost of understanding is time and thought. 

October 14, 2015
2:41 am
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Purple21
Hamprince of Meowtonia
Meows: 5100
Snarking Since:
July 28, 2014

Just saying "I googled the answer" is a lazy response.  You say, "My method wasn't working so I looked for some other approaches, and tried X, Y and Z.  By trying the different methods to solve the problem, I have a better understanding of why I was trying to achieve, which was"

It doesn't matter that you found the three different methods by googling – what matters is that you kept tackling the problem from different angles until you came up with the right solution.

(Love to see my hypothetical response crop up in Jenna's homework somewhere down the line!)





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